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Re: Patterns Game Questions/Discussion

Postby champagne » Fri Nov 10, 2017 8:54 am

enxio27 wrote:Question concerning the rule against self-trumping: If I post a puzzle, and someone trumps me, can I then trump him, or does that break the no-self-trumping rule because I already posted a puzzle with that ER?

self-trumping is limited to the current active submission for a given ER, so yes, you can
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Re: Patterns Game Questions/Discussion

Postby champagne » Sat Nov 11, 2017 1:54 pm

enxio27 wrote:
champagne wrote:...


So far, I have generated puzzles with the appropriate pattern using gsf and then rated them with Sudoku Explainer. As you and others have found, SE takes a long time, so I was hoping to either limit gsf's puzzle generation to (probable) pearls and diamonds (haven't figured out the correct command line options for that) or use something (gridchecker or skfr?) to pre-rate the puzzles to filter out all but (potential) pearls and diamonds. Then, my plan is to rate only the likely pearls/diamonds.

I'm just trying to make the process more efficient and more fruitful.
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I answer in another thread to limit the pollution of mladen gridchecker's thread.


limit gsf's puzzle generation to (probable) pearls and diamonds

this is a kind of dream assuming that gsf's program can rate in a similar way to Sudoku Explainer. Patrice went in that direction AFAIK with an integrated version of SE working much faster, but limited to ratings around 9.2

skfr rating is acceptable, but remains slow enough to clear redundancy before the rating.

On my side I first rate "in blocks" using another clone of SE, faster but with more deviations in the high ratings (in block means that for example all xy chains are rated at the same level).

Then depending on the game status, the next steps are defined (what new vicinity step, what to rate more precisely...) using among others skfr and Finally SE

In a competitive game, batches should be relatively short, but usually, as I am not really fighting to win(usually :) ), I try to have long batches saving the time to spend on the game.
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Re: Patterns Game Questions/Discussion

Postby coloin » Wed Dec 20, 2017 2:27 pm

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+---+---+---+
|.2.|69.|...|
|..5|..4|6..|
|...|5..|.3.|
+---+---+---+
|8..|...|.2.|
|..6|.4.|9..|
|.3.|...|..7|
+---+---+---+
|.8.|..1|...|
|..9|4..|1..|
|...|.69|.7.|
+---+---+---+ 

.2.69......5..46.....5...3.8......2...6.4.9...3......7.8...1.....94..1......69.7. ED=11.1/11.1/10.1


found this puzzle - not in the hardest list - but the isomorphic pattern had already been played - but not sure which game it was ! ?
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Re: Patterns Game Questions/Discussion

Postby m_b_metcalf » Wed Dec 20, 2017 4:16 pm

coloin wrote:.2.69......5..46.....5...3.8......2...6.4.9...3......7.8...1.....94..1......69.7. ED=11.1/11.1/10.1

found this puzzle - not in the hardest list - but the isomorphic pattern had already been played - but not sure which game it was ! ?

Well, if an isomorph of the pattern was ever played, then no-one came up with this precise rating because such a rating is not to be found in my records :?:

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Re: Patterns Game Questions/Discussion

Postby Patrice » Wed Dec 20, 2017 11:54 pm

m_b_metcalf wrote:
coloin wrote:.2.69......5..46.....5...3.8......2...6.4.9...3......7.8...1.....94..1......69.7. ED=11.1/11.1/10.1

found this puzzle - not in the hardest list - but the isomorphic pattern had already been played - but not sure which game it was ! ?

Well, if an isomorph of the pattern was ever played, then no-one came up with this precise rating because such a rating is not to be found in my records :?:

Regards,

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Game 267 has this minlex pattern
........X..X..X.X..X..X.X.........X..X..X.X..X..X....X..XX..X...X.X.X...X.X.X....
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Re: Patterns Game Questions/Discussion

Postby m_b_metcalf » Thu Dec 21, 2017 7:09 am

Patrice wrote:
m_b_metcalf wrote:
coloin wrote:.2.69......5..46.....5...3.8......2...6.4.9...3......7.8...1.....94..1......69.7. ED=11.1/11.1/10.1

found this puzzle - not in the hardest list - but the isomorphic pattern had already been played - but not sure which game it was ! ?

Well, if an isomorph of the pattern was ever played, then no-one came up with this precise rating because such a rating is not to be found in my records :?:

Game 267 has this minlex pattern
........X..X..X.X..X..X.X.........X..X..X.X..X..X....X..XX..X...X.X.X...X.X.X....

Ah, where we see that the higest rating was ED=10.9/10.9/10.6 champagne.

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Re: Patterns Game Questions/Discussion

Postby Patrice » Thu Dec 21, 2017 9:50 am

Patrice wrote:
coloin wrote:.2.69......5..46.....5...3.8......2...6.4.9...3......7.8...1.....94..1......69.7. ED=11.1/11.1/10.1
found this puzzle - not in the hardest list - but the isomorphic pattern had already been played - but not sure which game it was ! ?

Game 267 has this minlex pattern
........X..X..X.X..X..X.X.........X..X..X.X..X..X....X..XX..X...X.X.X...X.X.X....


Sorry I made an error when looking in my DB :oops: : the game was 236
minlex pattern
........X..X..X.X..X..X.X.........X..X..X.X..X..X....X..XX..X...X.X.X...X.X.X....
dealer proposal
.....7....5..1..7...84....24.2....6.3...6...8.8....7.38....26...6..9..1....5..... # 1 2.3/1.2/1.2 - champagne
highest rating
.....1....2..3..4...15....62.7....8.3...8...2.8....4.39....65...7..4..2....9..... # 24 11.1/11.1/11.1 0 champagne

COLOIN PUZZLE HERE ABOVE IS A NEW ONE :D - champagne one is not a new one ! :(
it's not an isomorph of the puzzle played by champagne
and for this pattern we have 2 puzzles 11.1 diamond from eleven in ph_1512 (not isomorph of coloin one)
NOTE : champagne one is isomorph of the second from eleven
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1....67.....18..3...9.7......4.....3.9.....2.7..6..5.......5.4.8...6.1....28.1...   11.10   11.10   11.10   elev   3146
........9.5.7...3...9..24...1.5...7.......8..8...4...23....5.6.5.16......6..73...   11.10   11.10   11.10   elev   3131
98.7.....6...9.7....7.56...4....3.2...85..9..........3.1..2...4..96..5.........1.   11.10   11.10   10.70   GP   kz0
..3.....9.5....1..7..2...4..3..7....6....2.7....86...5.9.6.8........4..18...2..6.   11.10   11.10   10.50   elev   3248
98.7.....6...9.7....7.65...4....3.2...86..9..........4.1..2...3..95..6.........1.   11.10   11.10   10.10   GP   kz0
98.7.....6...9.7....7.65...4....3.2...86..9..........3.1..2...4..95..6.........1.   11.10   11.10   10.00   GP   kz0
.2......9..6.8.1..7......4...58..6...4..61........5.9..7.3........61..2...1..83..   11.10   11.10   10.00   elev   3295
98.7.....6...9.7....7.65...4....3.2...96..8..........3.1..2...4..69..5.........1.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   kz0
98.7.....6...9.7....7.56...4....3.2...69..5..........4.1..2...3..96..8.........1.   11.10   1.20   1.20   GP   kz0
.2..5.7..4..1....3.......4.........8..8..3.1..9..2.5....25..6...6.2.7...9.5.6....   11.10   1.20   1.20   elev   2322
...4.67....71....6....7..152..3...9...1.6.5...9........3...2..88..........4.1.6..   11.00   1.20   1.20   elev   3523

the minlexes
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coloin  .2.69......5..46.....5...3.8......2...6.4.9...3......7.8...1.....94..1......69.7.  ........1..1..2.3..4..5.6.........7..6..8.5..7..3....2..56..9...9.5.8...4.6.9....
champagne 000001000020030040001500006207000080300080002080000403900006500070040020000900000  ........1..1..2.3..4..5.6.........7..5..6.8..7..3....2..85..9...9.8.6...4.5.9....
eleven 1....67.....18..3...9.7......4.....3.9.....2.7..6..5.......5.4.8...6.1....28.1...  ........1..1..2.3..4..5.6.........7..5..8.4..7..3....2..58..9...9.5.6...4.8.9....
eleven ........9.5.7...3...9..24...1.5...7.......8..8...4...23....5.6.5.16......6..73...  ........1..1..2.3..4..5.6.........7..5..6.8..7..3....2..85..9...9.8.6...4.5.9....
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Statistics on the occurrence of clues within the patterns

Postby m_b_metcalf » Fri May 18, 2018 2:42 pm

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Number of occurrences of a clue within the grid (maximum possible = 343):

  108   71   84   88   60  113   88   62  136
   75  139   93   92  120  106   93  168   53
   97   91  141  105   98   71  150   94   87
  102   78  111  145   54  125   91  141   75
   55  117   87   63  166   68  101   90   83
   95  120   80  127   60  153   94   89  111
   85   96  152   86  105   96  149   69  101
   49  173   89  121  105   95   65  159   77
  140   60   93   98   83   96   87   63  122

Ratio wrt the lowest number (r8c1):

  2.2  1.4  1.7  1.8  1.2  2.3  1.8  1.3  2.8
  1.5  2.8  1.9  1.9  2.4  2.2  1.9  3.4  1.1
  2.0  1.9  2.9  2.1  2.0  1.4  3.1  1.9  1.8
  2.1  1.6  2.3  3.0  1.1  2.6  1.9  2.9  1.5
  1.1  2.4  1.8  1.3  3.4  1.4  2.1  1.8  1.7
  1.9  2.4  1.6  2.6  1.2  3.1  1.9  1.8  2.3
  1.7  2.0  3.1  1.8  2.1  2.0  3.0  1.4  2.1
  1.0  3.5  1.8  2.5  2.1  1.9  1.3  3.2  1.6
  2.9  1.2  1.9  2.0  1.7  2.0  1.8  1.3  2.5

Occurrences expressed as a percentage of the possible maximum (343), showing r8c2 as most favoured:

 31.5 20.7 24.5 25.7 17.5 32.9 25.7 18.1 39.7
 21.9 40.5 27.1 26.8 35.0 30.9 27.1 49.0 15.5
 28.3 26.5 41.1 30.6 28.6 20.7 43.7 27.4 25.4
 29.7 22.7 32.4 42.3 15.7 36.4 26.5 41.1 21.9
 16.0 34.1 25.4 18.4 48.4 19.8 29.4 26.2 24.2
 27.7 35.0 23.3 37.0 17.5 44.6 27.4 25.9 32.4
 24.8 28.0 44.3 25.1 30.6 28.0 43.4 20.1 29.4
 14.3 50.4 25.9 35.3 30.6 27.7 19.0 46.4 22.4
 40.8 17.5 27.1 28.6 24.2 28.0 25.4 18.4 35.6
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