The New Sudoku Players' Forum

[gsf]

I feel the polling repeats too often (every 5 min) for doing a login each time (I'd like to stay under the radars)

the "All times are GMT +/- n hours" at the bottom of the page should be sufficient and current

setting the profile time format is appealing though

• GMT +/- n hours --
  yes, sorry, of course that will work
  
• login every 5 minutes --
  not needed -- login once and never logout !!

well there I go thinking like wetware again
I'm always having to re-login on this forum, usually in the middle of composing a post
if the polling time were reduced to just under that timeout window
(I've been on this forum how long and I can't tell you what that timeout is)
and wget can keep the login allive (I believe it does via cookies) then
the g.r.emlin can work in zulu (UTC) all the time, and can even detect on polling
when a re-login is needed by checking the time format on each poll result
nice observation Pat

[gsf]

suggestion -- let's meet every Sunday for a new game

Suggestion -- let's not meet every Sunday for a new game. Some of us prefer weekdays, maybe others weekends. Keep it random so everyone gets a turn with respect to convenience (and time zone).

g.r.emlin has been offline pending some tweaks to the state machine and betters docs for post #1
until a few more games have been played there will some fibbing in the "official" post w.r.t. time
there is some rest time included between the closed state of a previous game and
the start of the next
since this is www time I think it might be ok to just let the closing of one game determine
the start of the next
the open time would never be optimal for all players anyway, scheduled or not
in the long run random (but still announced ~8 hours in advance) open time
will wash into fairness for all players

if anyone knows how to delete private messages via wget(1) let me know
that is the last piece needed to allow players to submit patterns for future games
I already have it reading private messages, but the delete magic is elusive
(if you haven't done it, reverse engineering html <form> logic can be a fun puzzle to solve)

the next post will be a manually kicked final post for 1.5 game 1

[gsf]

this post would normally be done by g.r.emlin
TTHsieh's 3 ::: more ::: entries are not counted
forthcoming docs in post#1 will explain
edittemplate grid in 9x9 form

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game 0001 2007-12-09+14:44:00-0000 duration 9h09m dealer g.r.emlin index 0 (closed) 6 players 4 resigned

      1.2    1.5    1.7    2.0    2.3    2.5    2.6    2.8    3.0    3.2
      3.4    3.6    3.8    4.0    4.2    4.4    4.5    4.6    4.7    5.2
      5.6    5.7    5.8    6.2    6.5    6.6    6.69   6.7    6.8    6.9
      7.0    7.1    7.2    7.3    7.4    7.5    7.6    7.7    7.8    7.9
      8.0    8.2    8.3    8.4    8.5    8.6    8.7    8.8    8.9    9.0
      9.1    9.2    9.3    9.5

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
           Eioru        1     12     1m59s
             Pat        3     21     6m19s  dup-puzzle-tie
     m_b_metcalf        3    110     7m59s  resigned
         wintder        3    153    11m59s  resigned
             JPF       19    545     4m33s  resigned
         TTHsieh       24    747     6m59s  last-entry,highest-rating,resigned
     -----------  -------
               6       54

                    . X . | . X . | X . .
                    . . X | . . X | . X .
                    . X . | . . . | . . X
                    ------+-------+------
                    . . X | X . . | . X .
                    . . . | X . . | . . X
                    . X . | . X X | . . .
                    ------+-------+------
                    X . . | . . X | . X .
                    . . . | X . . | X . X
                    . . X | . . . | . . .



010020300004005060070000008006900070000100002030048000500006040000800106008000000 # 28 1.2 JPF
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100003070068000300004090000600104006000000 # 4 1.5 TTHsieh
010020300002003040080000006004700030000600008070098000300004090000800104006000000 # 29 1.7 m_b_metcalf
010020300002003040050000006004200050000100007020087000300004080000600105006000000 # 6 2.0 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070098000300004090000900804006000000 # 19 2.3 TTHsieh
010020300004003020050000006002700050000100008070098000300007090000600102007000000 # 37 2.5 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070038000300005090000600104006000000 # 17 2.6 TTHsieh
010020300004001050060000007005400060000100002080092000300005090000700106007000000 # 21 2.8 TTHsieh
010020300003004050060000007005800060000100009080092000400005090000700106007000000 # 25 3.0 TTHsieh
010020300004003050050000006005700040000100002070082000300005090000600105006000000 # 31 3.2 JPF
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070068000300004060000500104009000000 # 23 3.4 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070095000300004090000900104006000000 # 32 3.6 TTHsieh
010020300004005060070000008006300070000100002030092000900006040000800106008000000 # 34 3.8 JPF
080070100003002090060000004009500060000700005020041000100005020000200901004000000 # 48 4.0 m_b_metcalf
010020300002003040040000006004700050000600008070098000300005080000800104009000000 # 33 4.2 m_b_metcalf
020010700003008060010000003008600050000900004030021000400009080000500901007000000 # 12 4.4 Eioru
010020300003004050060000007005800060000100002080072000400005090000700104007000000 # 27 4.5 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006007800050000100004080094000300007090000400105006000000 # 36 4.6 JPF
010020300004003020050000006007600050000100002060072000300008070000900108009000000 # 47 4.7 TTHsieh
010020300004003050060000007005800060000900001080012000300005010000700506002000000 # 54 5.2 TTHsieh
010020300004003050020000006005700020000100008070098000300005090000900205006000000 # 35 5.6 TTHsieh
010020300004003020050000006007800050000100002080042000300007040000600807006000000 # 38 5.7 JPF
070050800005008020010000009008100050000200001090034000900002030000600107006000000 # 53 5.8 wintder
010020300004005060070000004006800070000900002050017000400006050000400906008000000 # 52 6.2 JPF
010020300004005060070000008006900080000100002090032000200006030000800105008000000 # 40 6.5 JPF
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070098000200004090000600704006000000 # 15 6.6 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070068000300004090000800104006000000 # 13 6.69 TTHsieh
010020300004001050060000007005800070000900002080014000300005010000700905007000000 # 9 6.7 Pat
010020300004003020050000006002700050000800009070019000300002010000600805006000000 # 39 6.8 TTHsieh
010020300003004050060000007008900070000100002090082000200005080000700105007000000 # 42 6.9 JPF
010020300004003050020000006007800040000100005080095000300007090000600107006000000 # 41 7.0 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700080000100003070068000300004090000600104006000000 # 5 7.1 Pat
090020500004005010060000003001800060000900002080072000500001070000300901003000000 # 1 7.2 g.r.emlin
010020300004001050060000007005800060000100003080092000300005090000700102007000000 # 10 7.3 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008020098000700004090000600104006000000 # 30 7.4 TTHsieh
010020300003004050060000004005700060000100002070032000400005080000900105009000000 # 43 7.5 TTHsieh
010020300004003050060000007005800040000100002080092000600005090000700105002000000 # 24 7.6 JPF
010020300004003050060000007005100060000800002080092000300006090000700205007000000 # 22 7.7 JPF
010020300004005060070000008006900030000100002090042000500006040000800106008000000 # 20 7.8 JPF
010020300004003050060000007005200060000100008020048000300005090000700205009000000 # 44 7.9 JPF
070040800009005060060000003004100070000200006020034000100008090000600401007000000 # 51 8.0 wintder
010020300004003050060000007005200040000800001020091000300005090000700805007000000 # 18 8.2 JPF
010020300004001050060000007005200060000800009020019000300005010000700805007000000 # 2 8.3 TTHsieh
010020300004001050060000007005800060000900002080014000300005010000700905007000000 # 8 8.4 TTHsieh
010020300004003050060000007005800060000100002070092000400005090000700105007000000 # 7 8.5 Pat
010020300004005060050000004006700040000100002070082000300006080000900106009000000 # 26 8.6 JPF
010020300004003050020000006005700080000100002070098000800005090000600105006000000 # 45 8.7 TTHsieh
010020300004003050060000007005800040000100008080092000300005090000700605007000000 # 16 8.8 JPF
010020300004005060070000008006900040000100002090032000500006030000800906008000000 # 14 8.9 JPF
010020300004003050060000007005800060000100002070092000300005090000700105007000000 # 3 9.0 JPF
010020300002003040050000006004700050000600008070098000300004090000800104006000000 # 11 9.1 JPF
010020300004003050060000007005800060000100009080042000300005040000700908001000000 # 46 9.2 JPF
070060900006002030020000006003100040000200008050034000900003020000700105008000000 # 49 9.3 wintder
010020300004003050060000001005700060000800002070012000400005090000400805007000000 # 50 9.5 TTHsieh

[g.r.emlin]

the first post (rules etc.) has been updated

[ronk]

gsf, the tasks you are willing to undertake never cease to amaze me.

I have one 2-cent suggestion though. Somewhere in the final "summary post" for each game, it would be nice if the pattern were shown in grid format.

For those not interested in the scoring stats, the best location IMO would be in the code-block of line-formatted puzzles ... using either a general X-grid or converting the first puzzle.

[JPF]

A duplicate submission within 2 minutes of the original submission is ignored (unless the duplicate is by the same player.)

I don't understand.

The current game closes when any of the following occur:

• no valid submissions have been made for 12 hours

It seems to me a bit short ; 24 hours ?

Puzzle submission posts must be in 9x9 grid form with the ER as ER=n.n or SE=n.n, but no other adornments.

What about ER=6.69 ?

JPF

[gsf]

gsf, the tasks you are willing to undertake never cease to amaze me.

everythings related -- state based techniques learned here will be applied elsewhere

I have one 2-cent suggestion though. Somewhere in the final "summary post" for each game, it would be nice if the pattern were shown in grid format.

For those not interested in the scoring stats, the best location IMO would be in the code-block of line-formatted puzzles ... using either a general X-grid or converting the first puzzle.

good suggestion
I dropped the 81 char X'd grid from the status and added a 9x9 X'd grid to the final tally
and edited the final tally a few posts back to show the change

[gsf]

A duplicate submission within 2 minutes of the original submission is ignored (unless the duplicate is by the same player.)

I don't understand.

that text attempts to describe a tie -- its a little clunky
a tie requires two posts from two separate users, both with the same rating
the first one to make it in the forum gets the score, the second one is essentially ignored,
as long as it was posted within the time frame
2 minutes was chosen because of the default time stamp minutes truncation
(Pat showed how to avoid that), but 2 min seems reasonable
outside the two minute window the second post will get the dup penalty

The current game closes when any of the following occur:

• no valid submissions have been made for 12 hours

It seems to me a bit short ; 24 hours ?

ok, that's my debugging impatience showing
I bumped it up to 22+2 hours (22 idle + warning + 2 more hours idle)

Puzzle submission posts must be in 9x9 grid form with the ER as ER=n.n or SE=n.n, but no other adornments.

What about ER=6.69 ?

changed to ER=floating-point-number

each of the times and puzzle constraints can be changed at one line of the code
so its not a pain tweaking them between games
(although the docs would require a manual edit)

[gsf]

ok, its about time to let g.r.emlin loose again
but it would be nice to have some dealer patterns from other players in the queue
(details on becoming a dealer in the first post in this thread)
that way g.r.emlin is out of the pattern aesthetics complaint loop

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0002 start at 2007-12-13 16:00:00-0000 :::

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0001 final :::

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game 0001 2007-12-09+14:44:00-0000 duration 9h09m dealer g.r.emlin index 0 (final) 6 players 4 resigned

      1.2    1.5    1.7    2.0    2.3    2.5    2.6    2.8    3.0    3.2
      3.4    3.6    3.8    4.0    4.2    4.4    4.5    4.6    4.7    5.2
      5.6    5.7    5.8    6.2    6.5    6.6    6.69   6.7    6.8    6.9
      7.0    7.1    7.2    7.3    7.4    7.5    7.6    7.7    7.8    7.9
      8.0    8.2    8.3    8.4    8.5    8.6    8.7    8.8    8.9    9.0
      9.1    9.2    9.3    9.5

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
           Eioru        1     12     1m59s
             Pat        3     21     6m19s  dup-puzzle-tie
     m_b_metcalf        3    110     7m59s  resigned
         wintder        3    153    11m59s  resigned
             JPF       19    545     4m33s  resigned
         TTHsieh       24    747     6m59s  last-entry,highest-rating,resigned
     -----------  -------
               6       54
                   
                    . X . | . X . | X . .
                    . . X | . . X | . X .
                    . X . | . . . | . . X
                    ------+-------+------
                    . . X | X . . | . X .
                    . . . | X . . | . . X
                    . X . | . X X | . . .
                    ------+-------+------
                    X . . | . . X | . X .
                    . . . | X . . | X . X
                    . . X | . . . | . . .
                   


010020300004005060070000008006900070000100002030048000500006040000800106008000000 # 28 1.2 JPF
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100003070068000300004090000600104006000000 # 4 1.5 TTHsieh
010020300002003040080000006004700030000600008070098000300004090000800104006000000 # 29 1.7 m_b_metcalf
010020300002003040050000006004200050000100007020087000300004080000600105006000000 # 6 2.0 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070098000300004090000900804006000000 # 19 2.3 TTHsieh
010020300004003020050000006002700050000100008070098000300007090000600102007000000 # 37 2.5 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070038000300005090000600104006000000 # 17 2.6 TTHsieh
010020300004001050060000007005400060000100002080092000300005090000700106007000000 # 21 2.8 TTHsieh
010020300003004050060000007005800060000100009080092000400005090000700106007000000 # 25 3.0 TTHsieh
010020300004003050050000006005700040000100002070082000300005090000600105006000000 # 31 3.2 JPF
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070068000300004060000500104009000000 # 23 3.4 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070095000300004090000900104006000000 # 32 3.6 TTHsieh
010020300004005060070000008006300070000100002030092000900006040000800106008000000 # 34 3.8 JPF
080070100003002090060000004009500060000700005020041000100005020000200901004000000 # 48 4.0 m_b_metcalf
010020300002003040040000006004700050000600008070098000300005080000800104009000000 # 33 4.2 m_b_metcalf
020010700003008060010000003008600050000900004030021000400009080000500901007000000 # 12 4.4 Eioru
010020300003004050060000007005800060000100002080072000400005090000700104007000000 # 27 4.5 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006007800050000100004080094000300007090000400105006000000 # 36 4.6 JPF
010020300004003020050000006007600050000100002060072000300008070000900108009000000 # 47 4.7 TTHsieh
010020300004003050060000007005800060000900001080012000300005010000700506002000000 # 54 5.2 TTHsieh
010020300004003050020000006005700020000100008070098000300005090000900205006000000 # 35 5.6 TTHsieh
010020300004003020050000006007800050000100002080042000300007040000600807006000000 # 38 5.7 JPF
070050800005008020010000009008100050000200001090034000900002030000600107006000000 # 53 5.8 wintder
010020300004005060070000004006800070000900002050017000400006050000400906008000000 # 52 6.2 JPF
010020300004005060070000008006900080000100002090032000200006030000800105008000000 # 40 6.5 JPF
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070098000200004090000600704006000000 # 15 6.6 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008070068000300004090000800104006000000 # 13 6.69 TTHsieh
010020300004001050060000007005800070000900002080014000300005010000700905007000000 # 9 6.7 Pat
010020300004003020050000006002700050000800009070019000300002010000600805006000000 # 39 6.8 TTHsieh
010020300003004050060000007008900070000100002090082000200005080000700105007000000 # 42 6.9 JPF
010020300004003050020000006007800040000100005080095000300007090000600107006000000 # 41 7.0 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700080000100003070068000300004090000600104006000000 # 5 7.1 Pat
090020500004005010060000003001800060000900002080072000500001070000300901003000000 # 1 7.2 g.r.emlin
010020300004001050060000007005800060000100003080092000300005090000700102007000000 # 10 7.3 TTHsieh
010020300002003040050000006004700050000100008020098000700004090000600104006000000 # 30 7.4 TTHsieh
010020300003004050060000004005700060000100002070032000400005080000900105009000000 # 43 7.5 TTHsieh
010020300004003050060000007005800040000100002080092000600005090000700105002000000 # 24 7.6 JPF
010020300004003050060000007005100060000800002080092000300006090000700205007000000 # 22 7.7 JPF
010020300004005060070000008006900030000100002090042000500006040000800106008000000 # 20 7.8 JPF
010020300004003050060000007005200060000100008020048000300005090000700205009000000 # 44 7.9 JPF
070040800009005060060000003004100070000200006020034000100008090000600401007000000 # 51 8.0 wintder
010020300004003050060000007005200040000800001020091000300005090000700805007000000 # 18 8.2 JPF
010020300004001050060000007005200060000800009020019000300005010000700805007000000 # 2 8.3 TTHsieh
010020300004001050060000007005800060000900002080014000300005010000700905007000000 # 8 8.4 TTHsieh
010020300004003050060000007005800060000100002070092000400005090000700105007000000 # 7 8.5 Pat
010020300004005060050000004006700040000100002070082000300006080000900106009000000 # 26 8.6 JPF
010020300004003050020000006005700080000100002070098000800005090000600105006000000 # 45 8.7 TTHsieh
010020300004003050060000007005800040000100008080092000300005090000700605007000000 # 16 8.8 JPF
010020300004005060070000008006900040000100002090032000500006030000800906008000000 # 14 8.9 JPF
010020300004003050060000007005800060000100002070092000300005090000700105007000000 # 3 9.0 JPF
010020300002003040050000006004700050000600008070098000300004090000800104006000000 # 11 9.1 JPF
010020300004003050060000007005800060000100009080042000300005040000700908001000000 # 46 9.2 JPF
070060900006002030020000006003100040000200008050034000900003020000700105008000000 # 49 9.3 wintder
010020300004003050060000001005700060000800002070012000400005090000400805007000000 # 50 9.5 TTHsieh

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0002 status :::

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game 0001 2007-12-09+14:44:00-0000 duration 0 dealer g.r.emlin index 0 (open) 0 players

      7.2

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
       ---------  -------  -----  --------  -----
       ---------  -------
               0        1


[gsf]

oops and ouch -- it would be nice for the pattern to be posted when the game opens!
hold on ...

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0002 open dealer JPF 21 clues full dihedral symmetry :::

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. . . | 9 4 3 | . . .
. 6 . | . 1 . | . 5 .
. . . | . . . | . . .
------+-------+------
8 . . | . . . | . . 3
7 5 . | . 6 . | . 1 4
1 . . | . . . | . . 9
------+-------+------
. . . | . . . | . . .
. 2 . | . 5 . | . 8 .
. . . | 3 7 4 | . . .  ER=2.0


[coloin]

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+---+---+---+
|...|716|...|
|.3.|.5.|.2.|
|...|...|...|
+---+---+---+
|7..|...|..6|
|12.|.3.|.45|
|5..|...|..1|
+---+---+---+
|...|...|...|
|.9.|.4.|.8.|
|...|182|...|
+---+---+---+  SE=9.0