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[yzfwsf]

Is this one?

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[denis_berthier]

Yes, much better.
But, without making a difference between the (llcs and rlcs) and the (z- and t-), you make it very hard to see the linear, continuous structure that is the real whip.

[yzfwsf]

Now my question is, for CSP-Variables b2n3, why use link n3r3c2-n3r3c6 instead of link target-n3r3c6. Isn't the latter path shorter? So I see r3n3 as a branch.

[denis_berthier]

Now my question is, for CSP-Variables b2n3, why use link n3r3c2-n3r3c6 instead of link target-n3r3c6. Isn't the latter path shorter? So I see r3n3 as a branch.

Very simple: the result would not be a whip. In a whip the order of the CSP-Variables is important.

[AnotherLife]

Is this one?
whip8.png

Hello,
You still miss in your picture that r4c5=2 is linked to r3n2=c5. I think it is more easy to correct your drawing than to make my own one with a pencil and a pen.

[yzfwsf]

You still miss in your picture that r4c5=2 is linked to r3n2=c5. I think it is more easy to correct your drawing than to make my own one with a pencil and a pen.

Yes,you are right.

[denis_berthier]

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For people who really want to see a correct graphical representation of this whip:

whip[8]: r3n2{c6 c5} - r3n3{c5 c2} - b2n3{r3c6 r2c5} - r4c5{n3 n7} - r5n7{c5 c2} - r8c2{n7 n8} - r7c2{n8 n4} - r1c2{n4 .} ==> r3c6 ≠ 4

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   Z    r3n2   r3n3   b2n3   r4c5   r5n7  r8c2   r7c2  r1c2

n4r3c6—n2r3c6     
          |       
       n2r3c5—n3r3c5   
                 |         
              n3r3c2—n3r3c6
                        |
                     n3r2c5—n3r4c5
                               |
                            n7r4c5—n7r5c5
                                      |
                                   n7r5c2—n7r8c2
                                             |
                                          n8r8c2—n8r7c2
                                                    |
                                                 n4r7c2—n4r1c2
                                                           |
                                                           .


The sequence of CSP-Variables is mentioned in the first line.
Horizontal bars are links. Vertical bars are csp-links.
You will notice that none of the z- or t- candidates are present, thus making obvious the continuous, linear structure.
Displaying all the z- and t- candidates at the same time on a graphics, with all their links and with no difference in colours or boldness, is an absurd approach, hiding the fundamental structure. These z- and t- candidates are NEVER useful at the same time.
Notice that this 2D graphics is already perfectly captured by the linear representation in the nrc notation.

Also, don't forget that so long whips are extremely rare in human-solvable puzzles and that this one-step solution in W8 is an absurdity, considering that there is a solution in S+W4. The 1-step requirement often leads to such absurdities.


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