Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Tue May 13, 2025 9:09 am

coloin wrote:
champagne wrote:Basically, here, you can not design an efficient expansion step without a clear definition of the ER rating target.

well that would be 11.5/11.6/11.7 !! to give a Bxb 6 and above .. or TE3

however the problem is that a {-1+1} on 30000 minimals gives 500000 minimals .... almost all with an SE > 9 ...
a {-2+2} on 100 minimals gives 800000 minimals !!

expanding them reducers the number to rate by 50% or more .. but this is slower than skfr to do
at present I take the cut off as SE 11.0 ... but that misses the uniqueness ones


My target if I start a "vicinity search" will be more "a puzzle of potential interest for a player" , but this put us somewhere in skfr rating >10, so not a big difference.

As you have all the files given by my direct search, you can have an idea of the current effect of my in house filter. As far as I can see, it is usually a SKFR rating >9.
But if the ratio of high ratings is so high 30000->500000, a filter in the vicinity search would be of small interest or rules clearing more should be added
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby coloin » Tue May 13, 2025 9:26 am

champagne wrote:My target if I start a "vicinity search" will be more "a puzzle of potential interest for a player" , but this put us somewhere in skfr rating >10, so not a big difference...

i have many bxb6 puzzles and many more TE3 puzzles..
Will be interesting to see what you can do !!
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Tue May 13, 2025 9:43 am

coloin wrote:
champagne wrote:My target if I start a "vicinity search" will be more "a puzzle of potential interest for a player" , but this put us somewhere in skfr rating >10, so not a big difference...

i have many bxb6 puzzles and many more TE3 puzzles..
Will be interesting to see what you can do !!

Send me the file, I'll first see what my expand process can do (this is without uniqueness), I have only small changes to do in the code of my quick solver to process it.
And you can get the corresponding .exe later
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby coloin » Tue May 13, 2025 8:00 pm

Here is 100 BxB6 minimal.
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.............8.1.3789....6.2.4........8.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4....64....
.........45.1.9.3..69....1....7.8...63..4.......3.2.5.39..1.64.5.......3.14....95
.........45.1.9.3..69....1....8.7...63..4.........2.5.3...1.64.5.4.....1.1..3..95
........9...1..23.....7..14.34....7.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23..4..9..413.7
........9...1..23.6......452.8.67...73.2..8...618........7.8.......3...8.1.62..73
.......8.4......36..8...1.4.7.84..63...6.18......3.4...1976......2.1....83.....7.
......7.....18..36.8..371.4...67...1....1837......46.83.....4.7..5.6....9.2......
......7.9...18.23.6......152..31....3.6..2.4..18.64......2.....8.163...2....48...
......7.9.5............36...3...14.8..5.....2.1482....3.2.48.1..4.1.2....8153....
......7.9456...13........5..3.1.5.6......8.....134....3.56.48.18.........148..6..
......78....1..2.6.98....54..4......83...1...9.5..4..33..8.5...54..93.1.....1....
......78..5.1...36.....35...38617....7.......9.4.........5.......1.68.5.8..37.61.
.....6......18.......3724..24......3..6..594.9.5...6.239....5..5.2.3.....64.9..2.
.....6......18.......7234...9....5....52......46.9.32..6.....42.34...95.9.2..56.3
.....6......18..3....7324..2.4....5.39...56.2.6....94.53........46.9.3..9.23..5..
.....6......78.........2.6424....9..6.1....45..5..12.6.645....25.2.9...191.......
.....6.8.4..18.2.66...27..1.39...4...617.....7...........61.8.4.....2....1.8.4.72
.....67...5.1.9.36.9.37.1..2.45.....36....5.7.1...7.........3......1..959..7.56.1
....5.......1..2.6.8..73...2.8....9..169...48.4.6..1........9....2..48.1....9..24
....5.......1..2.6.8..73...21.6....4.489....1..6...8.........9..6...41.8.9.....42
....5.......1..2.6.8..73...24.9....1.186....49.....8........9...6...41.8....6..42
....5.......18.2.6...2.7.15.......78......1..81.67.5.23.65......82...6..94.7.....
....5...9...1.9....9..27.4...59.1.7...1.729.5...54...2.34.....7..2..4...86....1..
....5..8....18.2.6...2.7..5.7....1.........78.81.6.5.251....6.7.3..2.....496.....
....5.7.9...1.9.3.....3..41.1..93.75...54......57.1....42.......68.....39.1.74...
....5.7.9...1.9.3.6..37..5..1.....95......6.1..5...37..82.9....7.1....6.94..3....
....5.7.9...1.9.3.6..37.5.........95......6.1.15...37...4......7.1...96..82.3....
....5.7.9...1.9.36...73......1.7..9...691.5.3...6...713.45.....5.2.......6....31.
....56......1......8.3.21.521..65...5.82.3....3681....3.....9.8...6.8.2..6....4.7
....56......7.9...78923....2.8.4...739.........4...3....2....98..7...4.39..3..27.
....56..9...1.9.36...37..5.2.1..5....79......83...1...3.....6.176.....95......37.
....56..9..718.......2.7....359..6.7..4.....3......45.3.6..49.55.....37..79....64
....56..9.5.1.....6.972....2..............413.....182..12.6....5.691..7.79.2...6.
....56.8...718.......3.....2........3.8...671.4.......53.....68...8..3.7...63.51.
....567.....1.9.36.9..3.15.26..7......8.............67.....7.9.5.1.9367.....1.3.5
...4.......7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.77....8.4...4..591.
...4.....4.718....6...72...2.18....6..8.4...7.4..61..2......3.88.....9.1...71..2.
...4...8.4..18.2.6....72..1.35.6....7.........41....27.168..4.2.......68...6..17.
...4...8.4..18.2.66...72.4..39.6.....41.....77..2......1.8.7.62...6..1.4......8..
...4..78.....8..36....734.12.1...3...7..61...9.5.........6.4......81....8.4.37.6.
...4.6.....718.2.6....27.....8...34.......9.5...24..1..46.12.7.7.18.....8..7.4.6.
...4.6....57.89......72.....35..1.47......6.3..6...15.3.1.....4.6....37..745...61
...4.6...4...89..6.8.73...4......36.7.....8.18......2537..9.....64.789..9.83.4...
...4.6.8.....8.......27..542........39.....7...8...625..286..47......56...45.78.2
...4.67.9......2..6.9....51..1..3...39.5.1..45.469......5.......16..453.93.......
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5........8..4.67..256......48.752.
...45.........9...798..1....6...891..17..28.6.......72..1......6.2.....89..62...1
...45........89.3.69.2.....2.97...1.73.....6..61......3.2....71.....29.3.1...762.
...45.......1..2366....3.....1..8..73.6......87...13........8.27.28...63...2..17.
...45..8.45..89.3.8.93.2...24........3592....9.8.4....3.2....58......6.7....9.1..
...45.7....6....32......6...97......51..749..6.4..15.....19.....7.6.5.91....47...
...4567.9......12.........4..5.946.....3......7...53..3........59..63..7.649.7...
..3....8..571...3668.3....5.75......3.1......86...5.7.....9...871.6.........24.17
..3...7...571...3668.3..5.1...7...68.....2.......4....3.6.1.8.75.....6...18....53
..3...7.945..8......8........7.986....16..93....13...8....7..16......39.61.3....7
..3.5.......1.9......7..4.5..5....787.6...3.48...7..6.3......575.46..8.3.8....6..
..3.567.....18....8....7..........43..1...92....63.8.5.16..5...5...1...87.8..3...
..34.6......18....68..734.......1.95.......27.78...3...318....674.........6....4.
.2..........78........32.6..1....45.6.5....91.94...2.6.41.....5.6.9...4.9.25...1.
.2.......4......36.89.3.......5...743...716.57..64.31.....1...7.7..654.3......15.
.2.......4......36.897.3.....1...64........57.....73.15..3.41..7...614.....57....
.2......9...1..23....3...4521.6....83.9.......68......6....89...8196.3...3.2.18..
.2....78..571..2.66.......52.........85......7.6.251......9...78.16.2.......43..1
.2....78..571..2.66.......52........7.6.25..1.85..1.......941......13..78..6.2...
.2..56......1...63....72...2.4.....868....3.2..1..864.34.81..26.1....8......3.1.4
.2.4...8.....89.3....3.25.4.35...9.87....4....64........9.25......84...2...9.3.5.
.2.4.6.......8........31..42......95.6.....7....16.3.864...3...8.2.......318.42..
.23..6..9.5.1.9.......2....29...15....6.9.1...1.23....5......47....63.91......6..
.23..6..9.5.1.9......23....29.5.31..3.6.9.5...1..2....5......47....6..91.6....3..
.234.....4.7.....66............75..3...9.1....7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6...496....37.
.234..78...7...2.6.......4.2.8..73..3.........76...4..68.2.3......69........15..4
.2345....4....9...7...3.5..2........3.497...5.95.2..7......7.68....4..179.7...3..
1........45.....36.96..........68.5.3...41......7.2.6..4.....916...1.34..3..9.6.5
1.....7.9....89.3.......4.12..8.....53.9.1........53....259...8.152.....89...3..2
1....678........366...731.4....3.......64...1.4.7.18.3.64.1....792.....88.......7
1....678..57......68...31.5......35.37....6.85.......173..9....86124...........1.
1...56......1.9......37..15......3..7.....698..9....2437..91...5.163.9....67.5...
1..4..7.9.......3....2....4.7.5.8.......9.1.2...6.....39..2..417.1.4.3...42...9.7
1..4..7.9.......3....2...41.7.5.8.......9.1.2...6.....39..2..147.1.4.3...42...9.7
1.3.......5.......79.....642....549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795....69...2...5.4..7
1.3.......5...9...6.8.....4...5...4..7.2.89.5.....4.727..92...8..2.45.9....8.7...
1.3.......571....669.3..5.....9.4......61..7.9.5.28...3......91..9...6.7......35.
1.3.......571.9...69.73.5.....5...73.7.6.1.....9..3......96.1........6.7.......42
1.3...7...57.....668.........68..35.5..6.3.17........8...9.4.......1.......37.165
1.3...7...57....36.9.....1..6.3..9.7......15...1.....35..8.4.......7369....26....
1.3..6......78..2......2......94.6...49...21..6.......63...49...12...46.9....1.3.
1.3.5......7.....6.8.............1.......1.4256....3.773..18.....56.3....1657.8..
1.3.5......7.....6.8............1.9.........2516...3.773..186....56.3....6.57.8..
1.3.5...9.57......69.....1....7...93......1.5.....167.....97.61.3...4....1.8.2...
1.3.5..8..57....3668....1.5.75..1...3.1......86.....7....9.4..7...36........72..8
1.3.56......18...68..7.3.......3..9......742.7......583.8..15..57..6.....16....7.
1.3.56.....7......68...7........154........9251....3.873..186....56.3......57.8..
1.3.56..9...1.9...6..73...5..5...69......7.2......34.753..71.6.7.1.......69..5...
1.34.......7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.........2......7.4...6.2489.....6...2
12........56.8.1.2..9...56..1....65.......9.1...1.5.28.....8......52..9..8.367...
12.....89..6...1...892..64.......9..64...281......4.2....8......1.647....64.35...
12....7.9.....92.........5121..7.6...96......7.56......6.7.1........5..2...8425..
12...6.....718.....68.72..4..68.1.......2786.....4..........6.7.42...59.......342
12...6..9.571.....6..27...12.5..7.6....52....9...61........561.........779....34.
12..5.....5......6..9.7.....61...9.7....2..1.......3.8.16.95.7.5.27...9.7..21....

they partially expand with simple techniques..[-E] with gsf program [ by definition still BxB6 and high SE] to
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............78.1.3789....6.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
1.3......45.1.9.36.69....1....7.836.63..41......362.5.39..1.64.5.6...1.3.14....95 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
1.3......45.1.9.36.69..3.1....8.7.6363..41......362.5.3...1.64.5.4...3.1.16.3..95 ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
......7.9...1..23.....7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/9.4/2.6
1......89...1..23.6.....1452.8.673..73.2..8...618.3...3..7.8.......3...881.62..73 ED=11.6/10.3/2.6
......78.4.718..36..8...1.4.7.84..63...6.18...8..3.41.51976....7.2.1....83.....71 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
.....678....18..36.8..371.4...67..41....1837......46.83.....4.7..5.6....9.2...... ED=11.5/10.0/2.6
1.....7.9...18.23.6......152..31....3.68.2.4..18.64.2....2.1...8.163...2....48... ED=11.6/11.6/3.2
......7.9.5............36..23...14.88.53.41.2.1482....3.2.48.1.54.1.2....8153.... ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
.....67.9456...13........56.381.5.6.54..68.1.6.134....3.56.48.186........148..6.. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
......78....1..2.6.98....54..4......83...1...9.5..4..33.18.5...54..93.1..89.1.... ED=11.6/10.4/6.6
....5678..5.18..36.8.7.35.1.38617....7.......9.4.........5.1.....1.68.5.8.537.61. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
....56......18.......3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/10.4/9.3
....56......18.......7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
..3.56......18..3....7324..2.4....5.39...56.2.65...94.53........4659.32.9.23..5.. ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
.....6.....678.........2.6424....91.6.1....45..5..12.6.6451..925.2.9...191.....5. ED=11.4/10.3/2.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...27.41.39...4.7.6174....7...........61.8.4....72....1.8.4.72 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
....567.9.5.1.9.36.9.37.15.2745.....36....5.7.1...7.........37.....1..959..7.56.1 ED=11.1/11.1/3.4
.2..56......1.92.668.273...2.8...69..169...48.4.6..1.2......96..92.648.1.6..9..24 ED=11.6/9.2/7.1
.2..56......1.92.668.273...21.6..9.4.489...619.6...82........9..62.941.8.9.....42 ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
....56......1..2.668..73...24.9..6.1.186...949.6...82.......96..6...41.8....6..42 ED=11.5/9.0/2.6
....5.78....18.2.6..82.7.15.......78...8..16.81.67.5.23765......82...6.794.7..... ED=11.6/9.2/7.1
...45...9...1.9....9..27.41..59.147...1.729.5...54..12.34.....7..2..4...86....1.4 ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
1...5678....18.2.6...2.7.15.7....16.....1..78.8176.5.251....6.7.3..2.....4967.... ED=11.5/11.5/3.0
1..45.7.9...1.9.3.....37.41.1..93.75...54......57.1..4.42.....7768...4.39.1.74... ED=11.5/11.0/2.6
1...5.7.9...1.9.366..37.15..1..6..95......6.1.6591.37..82.9....7.1...96.946.3.... ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
1...5.7.9...1.9.366..37.51...6.1..95......6.1.1596.37..64.9....7.1...96.982.3.... ED=11.5/9.5/8.5
1...567.9...1.9.366..73.15...1.7.69...691.5.3...6...713.45.....5.2.......6....315 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
1...56......18....68.3.21.521..65...5.82.3....3681....3.....968...6.8.2.86....4.7 ED=11.5/9.3/8.3
....567.9...7.9...78923....2.8.439.739........74...3...32....988.7...4.394.3..27. ED=11.6/11.1/2.6
..3.567.9..71.9.36...37.15.241..5....79....1.83...1...3....76.176..13.95......37. ED=11.6/11.0/7.1
...4567.9..718.......2.7....3594.6.7..4....93......45.3.6..49.554....37..79....64 ED=11.5/10.3/3.6
12..567.9.571.9...6.972....2.1...........2413.....182..12.67...5.691..7.79.2...6. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
..3.5678...718.......3.71..2........3.8...671.4.......53..71.68...8.53.7...63.51. ED=10.2/10.2/2.6
....567.9...1.9.36.9.73.15.26..7......8.............67...5.7.915.1.9367.....1.3.5 ED=11.5/11.4/9.0
...4....9..7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.2/10.5/2.6
...4.67..4.718.26.6...72...2.18.7..6.6824...774..61..2......3.88.....9.1...71862. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.6....72.4123576....7.........41....27.168.74.2.......68...6..17. ED=11.6/10.9/3.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72.41.3976.....41...6.77..2......1.8.7.62...6..1.4......87. ED=11.4/10.2/2.6
...4.678....18..36....734.1261...3...7..61...9.5...61....6.48.....81....8.4.3716. ED=11.6/9.3/8.3
...4.67..4.718.2.6....27.....8...34...4...9.5...24.61..46.12.7.7.186....8..7.4.6. ED=11.6/11.6/9.1
...4.67...57.89......72.....35..1.47......6.3..6...15.3.1...5.456....37..745...61 ED=11.6/11.6/3.6
...4.6...4...89..668.73...4...8..36.7.....8.18......2537..9.....64.789..9.83.4... ED=11.1/10.3/6.6
...4.6.8.....8...6...27..542........39.....7...8...625..286..47......56...45.78.2 ED=10.8/4.5/2.6
...4.6789.....92..6.9....51.61.43..539.5.1..45.469......5.......169.453.93...5... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=11.0/4.5/2.6
...45..89.....9...798..1...26...891..17..28.68.9....72..1......6.2....9898.62...1 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...45........89.3.69.27....2.97..31.73.....6..61......3.2....71.76..29.391...762. ED=11.1/10.2/2.6
...456......18.2366...23.....1..86.73.6..2...87...132.......8.27.28...63...2..17. ED=10.9/4.5/2.6
.2345..8.45..89.3.8.93.2...24........3592....9.8.4....3.2....58......6.7....9.1.3 ED=11.7/11.7/2.6
...4567...56....32......6...9756....51..749..6.49.15....519.....7.6.5.91....47... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4567.9......12.........4.35.946.....3......7.6.53..3.754....59..63..7.649.7... ED=11.5/8.5/2.6
1.3...78..571...3668.3..1.5.75......3.1......86...5.7....791..871.6.........24.17 ED=7.7/4.5/2.6 
1.3...78..571...3668.3..5.1...7...68.....2.......4....3.6.1.8.75.....61..18....53 ED=11.6/11.6/9.2
..3...78945.78......8........7.986.1..16.793....13..78....7..16......39.61.3..8.7 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
..3.5.....5.1.9......7..4.5..5....787.6...3.48...7.56.36.....575.46..8.3.8....64. ED=11.6/11.6/8.3
1.3.5678....18....8..3.7..........43..1...92....63.8.5.168.5...5..71...87.8.63... ED=11.6/11.0/7.1
..34.6...4.718....68..734.....7.1895.....8.27.78...3.4.318.4..674.......8.6..7.4. ED=11.5/10.0/2.6
.2..........78........32.6.21....45.6.5....91.94...2.6.41...9.556.9...4.9.25..61. ED=11.5/10.5/9.3
.23......4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.7..654.3......15. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
.2.......4......366897.3....71...64........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/9.3/2.6
.23....89...1..23....3...4521.6.3..83.98......68.....36.2.389...8196.3..93.2.18.. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
12....78..571..2.66.82...1521........85.1...27.6.251.8....91..78.16.2.......43..1 ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
12....78..571..2.66.82...152........7.6.258.1.85..1..2....941.8...813..78..6.2... ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.2..56......18.263....72...2.4..3.1868...13.2.31..864.34.81..26.1....83.....3.1.4 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
.2.45..89....8923....3.25.4.35...9487....4....64..8.....9.25......84..92...9.3.5. ED=11.4/10.5/2.6
.2.4.6.......8.....8..31..421....695.6.....7....16.3.864..23...8.261.....318.42.. ED=11.6/10.3/6.6
.23.56..9.5.1.9......32....29.6.15..3.6.951...1523.9..56....347...563.91.3....6.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.23.56..9.5.1.9......23....29.5.31..3.6.915...1562.9..5.....647....65.91.6....3.. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
.234.67.94.7.....66...........875..3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6...496....37. ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.234..78.4.7...2.686.....4.2.8..73..3.........76...4..68.2.3......69........15..4 ED=11.6/10.4/6.6
.2345.7..45.7.9...7.9.3.5..27.......3.497...5.95.2..7.....97.68....4.9179.7...35. ED=11.5/10.3/2.6
1.3......45.1...36.96....1.....68.5.36..41......7.2.6.54.....916.9.1.34..31.9.6.5 ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
1.....7.9...18923.......4.12..83....53.9.182.....253..3.259...8.152.8..389..13..2 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
1..4.678.4..18..366...731.4....38......64...1.4.7.18.3.64817...792....188.......7 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
1.3..678..57......68...31.5.1....35.37....6.85.......173..9....86124...........1. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
1...56..9...1.9......37..15...9..3..7.....698..9....2437..91...5.163.9....67.5... ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
12.4..7.9......23....2...1427.518.......941.2.1.6.2...39..2..417.1.4.32..42...9.7 ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
12.4..7.9......23....2...4127.518.......941.2.1.6.2...39..2..147.1.4.32..42...9.7 ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
1.3..6....56......79.....642...6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795....69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/10.2/8.4
1.3.....9.57..9...698.....4...57..4..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
1.3...7.9.571...3669.3..51....9.4......61.97.9.5728...3......915.9...6.7......35. ED=11.6/11.6/8.4
1.3.567...571.9...69.73.5.....5...7337.6.1...5.9.73......96.1........6.7.......42 ED=11.0/4.5/2.6
1.3...78..57.8..3668..3.5.1..68..35.5.86.3.17......6.8...9.4.......1.......37.165 ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3...7.9.57....3669..3..1..653..9.7......15...1....635.6894.......7369....26.... ED=11.5/10.3/2.6
123..6......78.12......2...2.194.6...49...21..6.......63...49.1.12...46.9.4..1.32 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
1.3.56....57.....668...7........516.....61542561...3.773..186..8.56.3....1657.8.. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
1.3.56....57.....668...7.......61.9......5162516...3.773..186..8.56.3....6157.8.. ED=11.6/10.4/2.6
1.3.5.7.9.57....3669..7.51..617.5.93.7....1.5.....167.....97.61.3...4....1.8.2... ED=11.5/11.5/7.2
1.3.5.78..57....3668....1.5.75..1..33.1......86.....71...9.4..77..36........72..8 ED=11.5/11.0/7.1
1.3.56....5718...686.7.3..5....3..9......742.7......583.8.7156.57..6.....16....7. ED=11.5/11.5/9.0
1.3.56.8..57......68...7........154......519251....3.873..186..8.56.3....6157.8.. ED=11.6/11.6/3.6
1.3.56..9.571.9..669.73...5.75...69......7.2......34.753..71.6.7.1.......69..5... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.34....9..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.4/3.4
12..5..89.56.8.1.28.9...56..1....65.......9.169.1.5.28.....8......52.89.98.367... ED=11.6/11.6/3.6
12.4...894.6...1.2.892..64.......9.464...281......4.2....82.4...1.647....64.35... ED=11.5/11.0/2.6
12...67.9.57..92..6.9..7.5121..7.6...96......7.56.....5627.1.......65..2...8425.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
12.4.6...4.718...6.68.72..4..68.14....4.2786....64.......2.46.7.42...59.......342 ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
12..56..9.571.9..66.927...12.59.7.6....52....9...61......79561.5.......779....345 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7.....61...9.7....2..1.......3.8.16.95.7.5.27...9.79.21.... ED=10.9/9.3/2.6

About half are maybe fully expanded to 11.x/11.x/y.y
And note uniqueness glitches

TE3 are usually SE 11.7 [fwiw]
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Wed May 14, 2025 8:45 am

I tested your file with my current code.
I got expanded in the range 28-38, with usually less clues than you.
I'll see what are the corresponding (and missing) eliminations.
It took 128 ms to process the 100 puzzles.
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Wed May 14, 2025 12:57 pm

I checked SKFR path for my first output.
The first assignment comes very late after many steps rating >10, the worst rating over 11.
This is not a kind of moves that I try to apply here
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...........78.1.3789....6.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764....;32

would be my best expand morph for
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby coloin » Wed May 14, 2025 2:16 pm

well this indeed is the gray area of expanded nonminimal puzzles... which up to max expand are grouped.
Grouping the puzzles to max expand has many advantages.
1 finding the associated minimal puzzles in the group ... sometimes 500 or so
2 finding new twin puzzles - which differ by significantly more clues...
3 TE3 puzzles and higher bxb puzzles are to be found by minimizing and re rating the NEW basic E-expands found by this process
Here is the next step above . one clue added and expanded and rated applied to the file
All puzzles still in bxb6.
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.......8....78.1.3789....6.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
......7.94..1..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/10.0/8.3
......7.94.71..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/11.5/8.3
1......89...18.23.68....1452.8.673..73.2..8...618.3...3..7.8.......3...881.62..73 ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
......7.9...1..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/10.0/8.3
............78.1.3789...46.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4.678....18..36.8..371.4...67..41....1837......46.83.....4.7..5.6....9.2.4.... ED=11.5/11.5/8.9
......78....1..2.6.98....54..4......83...14..9.5..4..33.18.5...54..93.1..89.1.... ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
.2..56......18.2.....3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/10.3/9.3
..3.56......18..3....3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
.2..56......18.2.....7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/10.3/7.1
..3.56......18..3....7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
.23.56......18.23....7324..2.4....5.39...56.2.65...94.53........4659.32.9.23..5.. ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.....6.....678.........2.6424...591.6.1....45..5..12.6.6451..925.2.9...191.....5. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
....567.9.5.1.9.36.9.37.15.2745.....369...5.7.1...7.........37.....1..959..7.56.1 ED=10.4/10.4/2.6
.2..56......1.92.668.273...24.9..6.1.186...949.6...82.......96..62.941.8.9..6..42 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.2..56......1.92.668.273...2.8...69..169...4894.6..1.2......96..92.648.1.6..9..24 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
....5678....18.2.6..82.7.15.......78...8..16.81.67.5.23765......82...6.794.76.... ED=11.6/11.1/7.1
....5678...718.2.6..82.7.15.......787..8..16.81.67.5.23765......82...6.794.76.... ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
....56......1..2.668.273...24.9..6.1.186...949.6...82.......96..6...41.8....6..42 ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
.2..56......1.92.668.273...21.6..9.4.489...619.6...82.......69..62.941.8.9..6..42 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1..45.7.94..1.9.3.....37.41.14.93.75...54......57.1..4.42.....7768...4.39.1.74... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1...567.9...1.9.366..37.15..1..6..95......6.1.6591.37..8269....7.1...96.946.3.... ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1...567.9...1.9.366..37.51...6.1..95......6.1.1596.37..64.9....7.1...96.98263.... ED=11.5/11.5/9.1
..3.567.9..71.9.36...37.15.241.35....79....1383...1...3....76.176..13.95......37. ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
1...56......18....68.3.21.521..65...5.82.3.1..3681....3.....968...6.8.2186....4.7 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
....567.9...7.9...78923....2.8.439.739........74.9.3...32....988.79..4.394.3..27. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
...4567.9..718.......2.7....3594.6.7..45...93......45.3.6..49.554....37..79..5.64 ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
...45..89..7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/10.4/2.6
....567.9.5.1.9.36.9.73.15.26..7......8.............67...5.7.915.1.9367.....1.3.5 ED=11.5/11.5/9.1
...4..7.9..7..9....89237.....8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.2/11.2/2.6
...4...89..7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/10.5/2.6
..3.5678...718.......3.71..2...1....3.8...671.4..6....53..71.68...8.53.7...63.51. ED=11.4/11.0/2.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72.4123576....76........41...627.168.74.2.......68...6..17. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
..3.5678...718.......3.71..2...1....3.8...671.41.6....53..71.68...8.53.7...63.51. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72.4123976.....41...6277..2......1.8.7.62...6..1.4......87. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
...4.678....18..36.8..734.1261...3...78.61...9.5...61....6.48.....81....8.4.3716. ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
...4.6...4...89..668.73...4...84.36.7.....8.18......2537..9.....64.789..9.83.4... ED=11.1/11.1/6.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.5/4.5/2.6
...45..89.....9...7982.1...26...891..17..28.68.9....72..1......6.2....9898.62...1 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4.6.8.....8...6...27..542........39....47...8...625..286..47......56...45.78.2 ED=10.8/10.8/2.6
...45........89.3.69.27....2.976.31.73.....6..61......3.2....71.76..29.391...762. ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....845....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4567.9.56....32......6...9756....51..749..6.49.15....519.....7.6.5.91....47... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=11.0/4.5/2.6
...456......18.2366...23.....1..86.73.6..2.1887...132.......8.27.28...63...2..17. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4567.9......12........64.35.9467....37.....7.6.53..3.754...659..63..7.649.7... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4567.9......12.........4.35.9467....37.....7.6.53..3.754....59..63..7.649.7... ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
1.3...78..571...3668.3..1.5.75.....13.1......86..15.73...791..871.6.........24.17 ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3...78945.78......8........7.986.1..16.793....13..78....7..16......39.61.3..8.7 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
..34.67..4.718....68..734.....7.1895.....8.27.78...3.4.318.4.7674.......8.6..7.4. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.23.5....4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.7..654.3......15. ED=11.5/11.0/2.6
.2...6...4......366897.3....71.3564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/11.5/8.3
1.3.5678....18....8..3.7..........43..1...92....63.8.5.168.5...5..71...87.8.63..1 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
123....89...1..23....3..14521.6.3..83.98......68.....36.2.389...8196.3..93.2.18.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.2.......4......366897.3....71.3564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/10.2/8.3
12....78..571..2.66.82...1521........85.1...27.6.251.8...891..78.16.2.......438.1 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.2.......4......366897.3....71..564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/9.3/8.3
.23......4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.71.654.3......15. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
.2..........78........32.6.21....45.6.5..4.91.94...2.6.41...9.556.9...4.9.254.61. ED=11.5/11.5/9.2
.2.4.6.8.....8.....8..31..421....695.6.....7....16.3.864..238..8.261.....318.42.. ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
.2.45..89....8923....3.25.4235...9487....4....64..8.....9.25......84..92..29.3.5. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
.2..........78........32.6.21....45.6.5....91.94...2.6.41...9.556.9...4.9.254.61. ED=11.5/10.5/8.3
.23.56..9.5.1.9......23....29.5.31..3.6.915...1562.9..53....647...365.91.6....3.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.234.67.94.7..9..669..........875..3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6...496....37. ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.2.45..89....8923....3.25.4.35...9487....4....64..8.....9.25......84..92..29.3.5. ED=11.4/10.5/2.6
.234.67.94.7.....66...........8759.3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6..9496....37. ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.2345.7..45.7.9...7.9.3.5..27.......3.497..25.95.2..7.....97.68....4.9179.7...35. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3......45.1.9.36.96....1.....68.5.36..41......7.2.6.54.....916.9.1.34..31.9.6.5 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.234..78.4.7...2.686.....4.2.8..73..3.........76.3.4..68.2.3......69........15..4 ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
1.3..678..57......68...31.5.18...35.37....6.85.6.....173..9....86124...........1. ED=10.5/10.5/2.6
1.3.56....56......79....5642...6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795....69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/11.1/2.6
1...56..9...1.9......37..15...9..35.7.....698..9....2437..915..5.163.9....67.5... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3..678..57......68...31.5.1....35.37....6.85..3....173..9....86124........3..1. ED=10.2/4.5/2.6
1.3....89.57.89...698.....4...57..4..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
1.3..6....56......79.....642.7.6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795..7.69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/10.2/8.4
1.3.....9.57..9...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.0/7.1
1.3.....9.57..9...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5.8..94.727..92...88.2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.3/7.1
1.3.5.7.9.57....3669..3..1..653..9.7......15...1....635.6894.......7369....26.... ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
1234.6......78.12......2...2.194.6...49...21..6.......63...49.1.12...46.9.4..1.32 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
1.3.56....57.....668...7.......6159......5162516...3.773..186..8.56.3....6157.8.. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
1.3.5.78..57....3668....1.5.75..1..33.1......86.....71...9.4..771.36........72..8 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1.34.6..9..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.4/3.4
1.34...89..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.1/3.4
12.4...894.6...1.2.892..64.......9.464..9281......4.2....82.4...1.647....64.35... ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7....261...9.7....2.61.......328.16.95.7.5.27...9.79.21..6. ED=10.9/10.5/2.6
1.34....9..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.8...79..24.....7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.1/11.1/3.4
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7.....61...9.7....2.61.......3.8.16.95.7.5.27...9.79.21..6. ED=10.9/10.2/2.6

2,3 4 steps and all are expanded to bxb6 but some not expanded fully with skfr
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.......8....78.1.3789....6.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
......7.94..1..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/10.0/8.3
......7.94.71..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/11.5/8.3
1......89...18.23.68....1452.8.673..73.2..8...618.3...3..7.8.......3...881.62..73 ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
......7.9...1..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/10.0/8.3
............78.1.3789...46.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4.678....18..36.8..371.4...67..41....1837......46.83.....4.7..5.6....9.2.4.... ED=11.5/11.5/8.9
......78....1..2.6.98....54..4......83...14..9.5..4..33.18.5...54..93.1..89.1.... ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
.2..56......18.2.....3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/10.3/9.3
..3.56......18..3....3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
.2..56......18.2.....7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/10.3/7.1
..3.56......18..3....7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
.23.56......18.23....7324..2.4....5.39...56.2.65...94.53........4659.32.9.23..5.. ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.....6.....678.........2.6424...591.6.1....45..5..12.6.6451..925.2.9...191.....5. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
....567.9.5.1.9.36.9.37.15.2745.....369...5.7.1...7.........37.....1..959..7.56.1 ED=10.4/10.4/2.6
.2..56......1.92.668.273...24.9..6.1.186...949.6...82.......96..62.941.8.9..6..42 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.2..56......1.92.668.273...2.8...69..169...4894.6..1.2......96..92.648.1.6..9..24 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
....5678....18.2.6..82.7.15.......78...8..16.81.67.5.23765......82...6.794.76.... ED=11.6/11.1/7.1
....5678...718.2.6..82.7.15.......787..8..16.81.67.5.23765......82...6.794.76.... ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
....56......1..2.668.273...24.9..6.1.186...949.6...82.......96..6...41.8....6..42 ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
.2..56......1.92.668.273...21.6..9.4.489...619.6...82.......69..62.941.8.9..6..42 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1..45.7.94..1.9.3.....37.41.14.93.75...54......57.1..4.42.....7768...4.39.1.74... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1...567.9...1.9.366..37.15..1..6..95......6.1.6591.37..8269....7.1...96.946.3.... ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1...567.9...1.9.366..37.51...6.1..95......6.1.1596.37..64.9....7.1...96.98263.... ED=11.5/11.5/9.1
..3.567.9..71.9.36...37.15.241.35....79....1383...1...3....76.176..13.95......37. ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
1...56......18....68.3.21.521..65...5.82.3.1..3681....3.....968...6.8.2186....4.7 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
....567.9...7.9...78923....2.8.439.739........74.9.3...32....988.79..4.394.3..27. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
...4567.9..718.......2.7....3594.6.7..45...93......45.3.6..49.554....37..79..5.64 ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
...45..89..7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/10.4/2.6
....567.9.5.1.9.36.9.73.15.26..7......8.............67...5.7.915.1.9367.....1.3.5 ED=11.5/11.5/9.1
...4..7.9..7..9....89237.....8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.2/11.2/2.6
...4...89..7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/10.5/2.6
..3.5678...718.......3.71..2...1....3.8...671.4..6....53..71.68...8.53.7...63.51. ED=11.4/11.0/2.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72.4123576....76........41...627.168.74.2.......68...6..17. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
..3.5678...718.......3.71..2...1....3.8...671.41.6....53..71.68...8.53.7...63.51. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72.4123976.....41...6277..2......1.8.7.62...6..1.4......87. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
...4.678....18..36.8..734.1261...3...78.61...9.5...61....6.48.....81....8.4.3716. ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
...4.6...4...89..668.73...4...84.36.7.....8.18......2537..9.....64.789..9.83.4... ED=11.1/11.1/6.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.5/4.5/2.6
...45..89.....9...7982.1...26...891..17..28.68.9....72..1......6.2....9898.62...1 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4.6.8.....8...6...27..542........39....47...8...625..286..47......56...45.78.2 ED=10.8/10.8/2.6
...45........89.3.69.27....2.976.31.73.....6..61......3.2....71.76..29.391...762. ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....845....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4567.9.56....32......6...9756....51..749..6.49.15....519.....7.6.5.91....47... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=11.0/4.5/2.6
...456......18.2366...23.....1..86.73.6..2.1887...132.......8.27.28...63...2..17. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4567.9......12........64.35.9467....37.....7.6.53..3.754...659..63..7.649.7... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4567.9......12.........4.35.9467....37.....7.6.53..3.754....59..63..7.649.7... ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
1.3...78..571...3668.3..1.5.75.....13.1......86..15.73...791..871.6.........24.17 ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3...78945.78......8........7.986.1..16.793....13..78....7..16......39.61.3..8.7 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
..34.67..4.718....68..734.....7.1895.....8.27.78...3.4.318.4.7674.......8.6..7.4. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.23.5....4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.7..654.3......15. ED=11.5/11.0/2.6
.2...6...4......366897.3....71.3564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/11.5/8.3
1.3.5678....18....8..3.7..........43..1...92....63.8.5.168.5...5..71...87.8.63..1 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
123....89...1..23....3..14521.6.3..83.98......68.....36.2.389...8196.3..93.2.18.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.2.......4......366897.3....71.3564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/10.2/8.3
12....78..571..2.66.82...1521........85.1...27.6.251.8...891..78.16.2.......438.1 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.2.......4......366897.3....71..564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/9.3/8.3
.23......4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.71.654.3......15. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
.2..........78........32.6.21....45.6.5..4.91.94...2.6.41...9.556.9...4.9.254.61. ED=11.5/11.5/9.2
.2.4.6.8.....8.....8..31..421....695.6.....7....16.3.864..238..8.261.....318.42.. ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
.2.45..89....8923....3.25.4235...9487....4....64..8.....9.25......84..92..29.3.5. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
.2..........78........32.6.21....45.6.5....91.94...2.6.41...9.556.9...4.9.254.61. ED=11.5/10.5/8.3
.23.56..9.5.1.9......23....29.5.31..3.6.915...1562.9..53....647...365.91.6....3.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.234.67.94.7..9..669..........875..3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6...496....37. ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.2.45..89....8923....3.25.4.35...9487....4....64..8.....9.25......84..92..29.3.5. ED=11.4/10.5/2.6
.234.67.94.7.....66...........8759.3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6..9496....37. ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.2345.7..45.7.9...7.9.3.5..27.......3.497..25.95.2..7.....97.68....4.9179.7...35. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3......45.1.9.36.96....1.....68.5.36..41......7.2.6.54.....916.9.1.34..31.9.6.5 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.234..78.4.7...2.686.....4.2.8..73..3.........76.3.4..68.2.3......69........15..4 ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
1.3..678..57......68...31.5.18...35.37....6.85.6.....173..9....86124...........1. ED=10.5/10.5/2.6
1.3.56....56......79....5642...6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795....69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/11.1/2.6
1...56..9...1.9......37..15...9..35.7.....698..9....2437..915..5.163.9....67.5... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3..678..57......68...31.5.1....35.37....6.85..3....173..9....86124........3..1. ED=10.2/4.5/2.6
1.3....89.57.89...698.....4...57..4..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
1.3..6....56......79.....642.7.6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795..7.69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/10.2/8.4
1.3.....9.57..9...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.0/7.1
1.3.....9.57..9...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5.8..94.727..92...88.2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.3/7.1
1.3.5.7.9.57....3669..3..1..653..9.7......15...1....635.6894.......7369....26.... ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
1234.6......78.12......2...2.194.6...49...21..6.......63...49.1.12...46.9.4..1.32 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
1.3.56....57.....668...7.......6159......5162516...3.773..186..8.56.3....6157.8.. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
1.3.5.78..57....3668....1.5.75..1..33.1......86.....71...9.4..771.36........72..8 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1.34.6..9..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.4/3.4
1.34...89..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.1/3.4
12.4...894.6...1.2.892..64.......9.464..9281......4.2....82.4...1.647....64.35... ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7....261...9.7....2.61.......328.16.95.7.5.27...9.79.21..6. ED=10.9/10.5/2.6
1.34....9..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.8...79..24.....7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.1/11.1/3.4
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7.....61...9.7....2.61.......3.8.16.95.7.5.27...9.79.21..6. ED=10.9/10.2/2.6

.......8....78.1.3789...46.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
.23.56......18.23....3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.23.56......18.23....7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
...45.789..7..9....89237.....8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4..789..7..9....89237.....8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/11.2/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.5/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....845....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
.23.5....4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.71.654.3......15. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.234.67.94.7..9..669..........8759.3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6..9496....37. ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1.3.56....56......79....5642.7.6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795..7.69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3....89.57.89...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5.8..94.727..92...88.2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1.3....89.57.89...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.0/7.1
1.34.6.89..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.4/3.4

...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6

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............78.1.3789....6.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
............78.1.3789...46.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
.......8....78.1.3789....6.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
.......8....78.1.3789...46.2.48......78.6.2.496........429.8.7.69..27.4.8.764.... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
.....6.....678.........2.6424....91.6.1....45..5..12.6.6451..925.2.9...191.....5. ED=11.4/10.3/2.6
.....6.....678.........2.6424...591.6.1....45..5..12.6.6451..925.2.9...191.....5. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
...4567.9......12.........4.35.946.....3......7.6.53..3.754....59..63..7.649.7... ED=11.5/8.5/2.6
...4567.9......12.........4.35.9467....37.....7.6.53..3.754....59..63..7.649.7... ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
...4567.9......12........64.35.9467....37.....7.6.53..3.754...659..63..7.649.7... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
123..6......78.12......2...2.194.6...49...21..6.......63...49.1.12...46.9.4..1.32 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
1234.6......78.12......2...2.194.6...49...21..6.......63...49.1.12...46.9.4..1.32 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
..3...78945.78......8........7.986.1..16.793....13..78....7..16......39.61.3..8.7 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
1.3...78945.78......8........7.986.1..16.793....13..78....7..16......39.61.3..8.7 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
1.3..6....56......79.....642...6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795....69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/10.2/8.4
1.3..6....56......79.....642.7.6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795..7.69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/10.2/8.4
1.3.56....56......79....5642...6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795....69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/11.1/2.6
1.3.56....56......79....5642.7.6549.6...7.2.5.......76.6..2795..7.69..42...5.46.7 ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...45..89.....9...798..1...26...891..17..28.68.9....72..1......6.2....9898.62...1 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...45..89.....9...7982.1...26...891..17..28.68.9....72..1......6.2....9898.62...1 ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
.2..........78........32.6.21....45.6.5....91.94...2.6.41...9.556.9...4.9.25..61. ED=11.5/10.5/9.3
.2..........78........32.6.21....45.6.5....91.94...2.6.41...9.556.9...4.9.254.61. ED=11.5/10.5/8.3
.2..........78........32.6.21....45.6.5..4.91.94...2.6.41...9.556.9...4.9.254.61. ED=11.5/11.5/9.2
.....67.9456...13........56.381.5.6.54..68.1.6.134....3.56.48.186........148..6.. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
12.4...894.6...1.2.892..64.......9.464...281......4.2....82.4...1.647....64.35... ED=11.5/11.0/2.6
12.4...894.6...1.2.892..64.......9.464..9281......4.2....82.4...1.647....64.35... ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
...4567...56....32......6...9756....51..749..6.49.15....519.....7.6.5.91....47... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
...4567.9.56....32......6...9756....51..749..6.49.15....519.....7.6.5.91....47... ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
....567.9...7.9...78923....2.8.439.739........74...3...32....988.7...4.394.3..27. ED=11.6/11.1/2.6
....567.9...7.9...78923....2.8.439.739........74.9.3...32....988.79..4.394.3..27. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
.2345.7..45.7.9...7.9.3.5..27.......3.497...5.95.2..7.....97.68....4.9179.7...35. ED=11.5/10.3/2.6
.2345.7..45.7.9...7.9.3.5..27.......3.497..25.95.2..7.....97.68....4.9179.7...35. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.2.4.6.......8.....8..31..421....695.6.....7....16.3.864..23...8.261.....318.42.. ED=11.6/10.3/6.6
.2.4.6.8.....8.....8..31..421....695.6.....7....16.3.864..238..8.261.....318.42.. ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
12..5..89.56.8.1.28.9...56..1....65.......9.169.1.5.28.....8......52.89.98.367... ED=11.6/11.6/3.6
......7.9.5............36..23...14.88.53.41.2.1482....3.2.48.1.54.1.2....8153.... ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
.....678....18..36.8..371.4...67..41....1837......46.83.....4.7..5.6....9.2...... ED=11.5/10.0/2.6
...4.678....18..36.8..371.4...67..41....1837......46.83.....4.7..5.6....9.2.4.... ED=11.5/11.5/8.9
1.3.56....57.....668...7.......61.9......5162516...3.773..186..8.56.3....6157.8.. ED=11.6/10.4/2.6
1.3.56....57.....668...7.......6159......5162516...3.773..186..8.56.3....6157.8.. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
1.3.56....57.....668...7........516.....61542561...3.773..186..8.56.3....1657.8.. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
.23.56..9.5.1.9......23....29.5.31..3.6.915...1562.9..5.....647....65.91.6....3.. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
.23.56..9.5.1.9......23....29.5.31..3.6.915...1562.9..53....647...365.91.6....3.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3.56.8..57......68...7........154......519251....3.873..186..8.56.3....6157.8.. ED=11.6/11.6/3.6
...4....9..7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.2/10.5/2.6
...4...89..7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/10.5/2.6
...4..7.9..7..9....89237.....8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.2/11.2/2.6
...4..789..7..9....89237.....8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/11.2/2.6
...45..89..7..9....8923......8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/10.4/2.6
...45.789..7..9....89237.....8...5.4......19.9.15...78.15..48.779...8.458.4..591. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1..45.7.9...1.9.3.....37.41.1..93.75...54......57.1..4.42.....7768...4.39.1.74... ED=11.5/11.0/2.6
1..45.7.94..1.9.3.....37.41.14.93.75...54......57.1..4.42.....7768...4.39.1.74... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3...78..57.8..3668..3.5.1..68..35.5.86.3.17......6.8...9.4.......1.......37.165 ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=11.0/4.5/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=11.0/4.5/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.......2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.5/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.5/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...39.7.....845....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5........8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....8.5....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
...4.678.4.....2.6...2...45.....8...3967.....845....7...8.24.67..256......48.752. ED=10.4/4.5/2.6
1..4.678.4..18..366...731.4....38......64...1.4.7.18.3.64817...792....188.......7 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
...4.6.8.....8...6...27..542........39.....7...8...625..286..47......56...45.78.2 ED=10.8/4.5/2.6
...4.6.8.....8...6...27..542........39....47...8...625..286..47......56...45.78.2 ED=10.8/10.8/2.6
.2..56......1.92.668.273...21.6..9.4.489...619.6...82........9..62.941.8.9.....42 ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.2..56......1.92.668.273...21.6..9.4.489...619.6...82.......69..62.941.8.9..6..42 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
....56......1..2.668..73...24.9..6.1.186...949.6...82.......96..6...41.8....6..42 ED=11.5/9.0/2.6
....56......1..2.668.273...24.9..6.1.186...949.6...82.......96..6...41.8....6..42 ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
.2..56......1.92.668.273...24.9..6.1.186...949.6...82.......96..62.941.8.9..6..42 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.2..56......1.92.668.273...2.8...69..169...48.4.6..1.2......96..92.648.1.6..9..24 ED=11.6/9.2/7.1
.2..56......1.92.668.273...2.8...69..169...4894.6..1.2......96..92.648.1.6..9..24 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
12..56..9.571.9..66.927...12.59.7.6....52....9...61......79561.5.......779....345 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
...4.678....18..36....734.1261...3...7..61...9.5...61....6.48.....81....8.4.3716. ED=11.6/9.3/8.3
...4.678....18..36.8..734.1261...3...78.61...9.5...61....6.48.....81....8.4.3716. ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
12.4..7.9......23....2...1427.518.......941.2.1.6.2...39..2..417.1.4.32..42...9.7 ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
12.4..7.9......23....2...4127.518.......941.2.1.6.2...39..2..147.1.4.32..42...9.7 ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
...4.67..4.718.2.6....27.....8...34...4...9.5...24.61..46.12.7.7.186....8..7.4.6. ED=11.6/11.6/9.1
12...67.9.57..92..6.9..7.5121..7.6...96......7.56.....5627.1.......65..2...8425.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3...78..571...3668.3..5.1...7...68.....2.......4....3.6.1.8.75.....61..18....53 ED=11.6/11.6/9.2
1...56......18....68.3.21.521..65...5.82.3....3681....3.....968...6.8.2.86....4.7 ED=11.5/9.3/8.3
1...56......18....68.3.21.521..65...5.82.3.1..3681....3.....968...6.8.2186....4.7 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1......89...1..23.6.....1452.8.673..73.2..8...618.3...3..7.8.......3...881.62..73 ED=11.6/10.3/2.6
1......89...18.23.68....1452.8.673..73.2..8...618.3...3..7.8.......3...881.62..73 ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
1.3...78..571...3668.3..1.5.75......3.1......86...5.7....791..871.6.........24.17 ED=7.7/4.5/2.6
1.3...78..571...3668.3..1.5.75.....13.1......86..15.73...791..871.6.........24.17 ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7.....61...9.7....2..1.......3.8.16.95.7.5.27...9.79.21.... ED=10.9/9.3/2.6
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7.....61...9.7....2.61.......3.8.16.95.7.5.27...9.79.21..6. ED=10.9/10.2/2.6
12..5.7.9.57.....66.9.7....261...9.7....2.61.......328.16.95.7.5.27...9.79.21..6. ED=10.9/10.5/2.6
....56......18.......3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/10.4/9.3
..3.56......18..3....3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
.2..56......18.2.....3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/10.3/9.3
.23.56......18.23....3724..24.....53.36..594.9.5..36.239....5..5.2.3.....6459.32. ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1.....7.9...18923.......4.12..83....53.9.182.....253..3.259...8.152.8..389..13..2 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
......7.9...1..23.....7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/9.4/2.6
......7.9...1..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/10.0/8.3
......7.94..1..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/10.0/8.3
......7.94.71..23...9.7..14.34...17.5.6.1.....18.2.....4.9.7.21...23.94..9..413.7 ED=11.5/11.5/8.3
1..4.678.4..18.2.6....72.4123576....7.........41....27.168.74.2.......68...6..17. ED=11.6/10.9/3.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72.4123576....76........41...627.168.74.2.......68...6..17. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
1.3..678..57......68...31.5.1....35.37....6.85.......173..9....86124...........1. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
1.3..678..57......68...31.5.1....35.37....6.85..3....173..9....86124........3..1. ED=10.2/4.5/2.6
1.3..678..57......68...31.5.18...35.37....6.85.6.....173..9....86124...........1. ED=10.5/10.5/2.6
1.3.5.78..57....3668....1.5.75..1..33.1......86.....71...9.4..77..36........72..8 ED=11.5/11.0/7.1
1.3.5.78..57....3668....1.5.75..1..33.1......86.....71...9.4..771.36........72..8 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
12..567.9.571.9...6.972....2.1...........2413.....182..12.67...5.691..7.79.2...6. ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
...4.67...57.89......72.....35..1.47......6.3..6...15.3.1...5.456....37..745...61 ED=11.6/11.6/3.6
1.....7.9...18.23.6......152..31....3.68.2.4..18.64.2....2.1...8.163...2....48... ED=11.6/11.6/3.2
....56......18.......7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
..3.56......18..3....7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
.2..56......18.2.....7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/10.3/7.1
.23.56......18.23....7234..29....5..3.52......4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.2.......4......366897.3....71...64........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/9.3/2.6
.2.......4......366897.3....71..564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/9.3/8.3
.2.......4......366897.3....71.3564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/10.2/8.3
.2...6...4......366897.3....71.3564........57.....73.15..3.417.7...614.5...57..63 ED=11.5/11.5/8.3
....5678..5.18..36.8.7.35.1.38617....7.......9.4.........5.1.....1.68.5.8.537.61. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...456......18.2366...23.....1..86.73.6..2...87...132.......8.27.28...63...2..17. ED=10.9/4.5/2.6
...456......18.2366...23.....1..86.73.6..2.1887...132.......8.27.28...63...2..17. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4.6...4...89..668.73...4...8..36.7.....8.18......2537..9.....64.789..9.83.4... ED=11.1/10.3/6.6
...4.6...4...89..668.73...4...84.36.7.....8.18......2537..9.....64.789..9.83.4... ED=11.1/11.1/6.6
..3.56......18..3....7324..2.4....5.39...56.2.65...94.53........4659.32.9.23..5.. ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
.23.56......18.23....7324..2.4....5.39...56.2.65...94.53........4659.32.9.23..5.. ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
.23......4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.7..654.3......15. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
.23......4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.71.654.3......15. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
.23.5....4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.7..654.3......15. ED=11.5/11.0/2.6
.23.5....4.7....36.89.3.......5.3.743...716.57..64.31.....1..67.71.654.3......15. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
12....78..571..2.66.82...1521........85.1...27.6.251.8....91..78.16.2.......43..1 ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
12....78..571..2.66.82...1521........85.1...27.6.251.8...891..78.16.2.......438.1 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
12....78..571..2.66.82...152........7.6.258.1.85..1..2....941.8...813..78..6.2... ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
....5.78....18.2.6..82.7.15.......78...8..16.81.67.5.23765......82...6.794.7..... ED=11.6/9.2/7.1
....5678....18.2.6..82.7.15.......78...8..16.81.67.5.23765......82...6.794.76.... ED=11.6/11.1/7.1
....5678...718.2.6..82.7.15.......787..8..16.81.67.5.23765......82...6.794.76.... ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
1...5678....18.2.6...2.7.15.7....16.....1..78.8176.5.251....6.7.3..2.....4967.... ED=11.5/11.5/3.0
...4567.9..718.......2.7....3594.6.7..4....93......45.3.6..49.554....37..79....64 ED=11.5/10.3/3.6
...4567.9..718.......2.7....3594.6.7..45...93......45.3.6..49.554....37..79..5.64 ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
...45........89.3.69.27....2.97..31.73.....6..61......3.2....71.76..29.391...762. ED=11.1/10.2/2.6
...45........89.3.69.27....2.976.31.73.....6..61......3.2....71.76..29.391...762. ED=11.1/11.1/2.6
1.3.5.7.9.57....3669..7.51..617.5.93.7....1.5.....167.....97.61.3...4....1.8.2... ED=11.5/11.5/7.2
......78....1..2.6.98....54..4......83...1...9.5..4..33.18.5...54..93.1..89.1.... ED=11.6/10.4/6.6
......78....1..2.6.98....54..4......83...14..9.5..4..33.18.5...54..93.1..89.1.... ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...27.41.39...4.7.6174....7...........61.8.4....72....1.8.4.72 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
...45...9...1.9....9..27.41..59.147...1.729.5...54..12.34.....7..2..4...86....1.4 ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
1...5.7.9...1.9.366..37.15..1..6..95......6.1.6591.37..82.9....7.1...96.946.3.... ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
1...567.9...1.9.366..37.15..1..6..95......6.1.6591.37..8269....7.1...96.946.3.... ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
..3.567.9..71.9.36...37.15.241..5....79....1.83...1...3....76.176..13.95......37. ED=11.6/11.0/7.1
..3.567.9..71.9.36...37.15.241.35....79....1383...1...3....76.176..13.95......37. ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
....567.9.5.1.9.36.9.37.15.2745.....36....5.7.1...7.........37.....1..959..7.56.1 ED=11.1/11.1/3.4
....567.9.5.1.9.36.9.37.15.2745.....369...5.7.1...7.........37.....1..959..7.56.1 ED=10.4/10.4/2.6
.2.45..89....8923....3.25.4.35...9487....4....64..8.....9.25......84..92...9.3.5. ED=11.4/10.5/2.6
.2.45..89....8923....3.25.4.35...9487....4....64..8.....9.25......84..92..29.3.5. ED=11.4/10.5/2.6
.2.45..89....8923....3.25.4235...9487....4....64..8.....9.25......84..92..29.3.5. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
1...5.7.9...1.9.366..37.51...6.1..95......6.1.1596.37..64.9....7.1...96.982.3.... ED=11.5/9.5/8.5
1...567.9...1.9.366..37.51...6.1..95......6.1.1596.37..64.9....7.1...96.98263.... ED=11.5/11.5/9.1
1.3...7.9.571...3669.3..51....9.4......61.97.9.5728...3......915.9...6.7......35. ED=11.6/11.6/8.4
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72.41.3976.....41...6.77..2......1.8.7.62...6..1.4......87. ED=11.4/10.2/2.6
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72.4123976.....41...6277..2......1.8.7.62...6..1.4......87. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
..3.5.....5.1.9......7..4.5..5....787.6...3.48...7.56.36.....575.46..8.3.8....64. ED=11.6/11.6/8.3
1.3.56..9.571.9..669.73...5.75...69......7.2......34.753..71.6.7.1.......69..5... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1...567.9...1.9.366..73.15...1.7.69...691.5.3...6...713.45.....5.2.......6....315 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
.234.67.94.7.....66...........875..3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6...496....37. ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.234.67.94.7.....66...........8759.3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6..9496....37. ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.234.67.94.7..9..669..........875..3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6...496....37. ED=11.5/9.2/7.1
.234.67.94.7..9..669..........8759.3...9.1..7.7962....7.4.9.6.2.32.6..9496....37. ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1.3...7.9.57....3669..3..1..653..9.7......15...1....635.6894.......7369....26.... ED=11.5/10.3/2.6
1.3.5.7.9.57....3669..3..1..653..9.7......15...1....635.6894.......7369....26.... ED=11.5/11.5/3.6
1.3.567...571.9...69.73.5.....5...7337.6.1...5.9.73......96.1........6.7.......42 ED=11.0/4.5/2.6
1.3.....9.57..9...698.....4...57..4..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
1.3.....9.57..9...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.0/7.1
1.3.....9.57..9...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5.8..94.727..92...88.2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.3/7.1
1.3....89.57.89...698.....4...57..4..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.2/7.1
1.3....89.57.89...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5....94.727..92...8..2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/10.0/7.1
1.3....89.57.89...698.....4...57.84..7.2.89.5.8..94.727..92...88.2.45.97...8.7... ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
1.3......45.1.9.36.69....1....7.836.63..41......362.5.39..1.64.5.6...1.3.14....95 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
1.3.5678....18....8..3.7..........43..1...92....63.8.5.168.5...5..71...87.8.63... ED=11.6/11.0/7.1
1.3.5678....18....8..3.7..........43..1...92....63.8.5.168.5...5..71...87.8.63..1 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
.234..78.4.7...2.686.....4.2.8..73..3.........76...4..68.2.3......69........15..4 ED=11.6/10.4/6.6
.234..78.4.7...2.686.....4.2.8..73..3.........76.3.4..68.2.3......69........15..4 ED=11.6/11.6/6.6
.2345..8.45..89.3.8.93.2...24........3592....9.8.4....3.2....58......6.7....9.1.3 ED=11.7/11.7/2.6
1.3.56....5718...686.7.3..5....3..9......742.7......583.8.7156.57..6.....16....7. ED=11.5/11.5/9.0
1.3......45.1.9.36.69..3.1....8.7.6363..41......362.5.3...1.64.5.4...3.1.16.3..95 ED=11.6/11.6/2.6
.23....89...1..23....3...4521.6.3..83.98......68.....36.2.389...8196.3..93.2.18.. ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
123....89...1..23....3..14521.6.3..83.98......68.....36.2.389...8196.3..93.2.18.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
1.3......45.1...36.96....1.....68.5.36..41......7.2.6.54.....916.9.1.34..31.9.6.5 ED=11.5/10.2/2.6
1.3......45.1.9.36.96....1.....68.5.36..41......7.2.6.54.....916.9.1.34..31.9.6.5 ED=11.5/11.5/7.1
....567.9...1.9.36.9.73.15.26..7......8.............67...5.7.915.1.9367.....1.3.5 ED=11.5/11.4/9.0
....567.9.5.1.9.36.9.73.15.26..7......8.............67...5.7.915.1.9367.....1.3.5 ED=11.5/11.5/9.1
......78.4.718..36..8...1.4.7.84..63...6.18...8..3.41.51976....7.2.1....83.....71 ED=11.6/11.6/7.1
12.4.6...4.718...6.68.72..4..68.14....4.2786....64.......2.46.7.42...59.......342 ED=11.5/11.5/6.6
..3.5678...718.......3.71..2........3.8...671.4.......53..71.68...8.53.7...63.51. ED=10.2/10.2/2.6
..3.5678...718.......3.71..2...1....3.8...671.4..6....53..71.68...8.53.7...63.51. ED=11.4/11.0/2.6
..3.5678...718.......3.71..2...1....3.8...671.41.6....53..71.68...8.53.7...63.51. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
...4.6789.....92..6.9....51.61.43..539.5.1..45.469......5.......169.453.93...5... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
..34.6...4.718....68..734.....7.1895.....8.27.78...3.4.318.4..674.......8.6..7.4. ED=11.5/10.0/2.6
..34.67..4.718....68..734.....7.1895.....8.27.78...3.4.318.4.7674.......8.6..7.4. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.23.56..9.5.1.9......32....29.6.15..3.6.951...1523.9..56....347...563.91.3....6.. ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
...4.67..4.718.26.6...72...2.18.7..6.6824...774..61..2......3.88.....9.1...71862. ED=11.4/11.4/2.6
1.34....9..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.4/3.4
1.34....9..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.8...79..24.....7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.1/11.1/3.4
1.34...89..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.1/3.4
1.34.6..9..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.4/3.4
1.34.6.89..7.89....9....4....9.4867....6.29.....79..2......7.46..6.2489.....6...2 ED=11.4/11.4/3.4
1...56..9...1.9......37..15...9..3..7.....698..9....2437..91...5.163.9....67.5... ED=11.5/9.2/2.6
1...56..9...1.9......37..15...9..35.7.....698..9....2437..915..5.163.9....67.5... ED=11.5/11.5/2.6
.2..56......18.263....72...2.4..3.1868...13.2.31..864.34.81..26.1....83.....3.1.4 ED=11.4/11.4/2.6

From these mishmash of expanded puzzles there are 11606 minimal puzzles
From these there is a mishmash of 873 expanded twin puzzles which resulted in over 58000 bxb6 puzzles

just from those 100 original minimals a {-2+2} process gave over a million minimal puzzles ...
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Wed May 14, 2025 5:56 pm

coloin wrote:From these mishmash of expanded puzzles there are 11606 minimal puzzles
From these there is a mishmash of 873 expanded twin puzzles which resulted in over 58000 bxb6 puzzles

Hi coloin,
Recently I have seen many times this " twin puzzles" wording.

Where is the best definition of what is behind? My understanding can be wrong.
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby coloin » Wed May 14, 2025 6:40 pm

In twin puzzles there is one or more UAs in the puzzle clues so if the invert puzzle [if multi solution] has x solution there are x twin puzzles.
The PMs in all the puzzles are the same so its essentially all the same way to solve the puzzle.
here is a puzzle and its invert ...
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98765.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....277.9...5.8
.....1234523.7861941629.785..13.5.4.3..8.41...4.917..3..47863.11..5394...3.142.6.   invert grid has 18 sol

All the twin puzzles can have have this invert - so all the PM grids will be the same so they all will have the same solution path
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* *                            *   *  * *  **  *    *                 *** *        14 clue UA
98765.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....277.9...5.8  ** original
78965.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.92.6..576.5...82.25.....9..68....729.7...5.8 one of the other 17 twins

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+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 9     8     7     | 6     5     12    | 1234  134   134   |
| 135   123   136   | 4     1789  12789 | 12367 1368  1359  |
| 145   124   146   | 12789 1789  3     | 12467 1468  1459  |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 8     7     134   | 135   6     145   | 9     134   2     |
| 134   9     5     | 138   2     148   | 134   7     6     |
| 6     134   2     | 1379  13479 1479  | 8     5     134   |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 2     5     134   | 1378  13478 14678 | 1346  9     134   |
| 134   6     8     | 1359  1349  1459  | 134   2     7     |
| 7     134   9     | 123   134   1246  | 5     1346  8     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+

+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 7     8     9     | 6     5     12    | 1234  134   134   |
| 135   123   136   | 4     1789  12789 | 1267  168   59    |
| 145   124   146   | 12789 1789  3     | 1267  168   59    |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 8     7     134   | 135   2     145   | 9     134   6     |
| 134   9     2     | 138   6     148   | 134   5     7     |
| 6     134   5     | 1379  13479 1479  | 8     2     134   |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 2     5     134   | 1378  13478 14678 | 1346  9     134   |
| 134   6     8     | 1359  1349  1459  | 134   7     2     |
| 9     134   7     | 123   134   1246  | 5     1346  8     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Wed May 14, 2025 6:47 pm

so, if I got it well, the more clues you have, the best chance to have a multi solution grid using the invert??
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby coloin » Wed May 14, 2025 8:02 pm

champagne wrote:so, if I got it well, the more clues you have, the best chance to have a multi solution grid using the invert??

exactly ...!

here are 12 TE3 puzzles from the {-2+2}
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....5.78.....89......23..6..1..4.....68...47.9.4....1..91..864.6.7..48.1.......97 2
...45..89.5..8923..89...5.429.......31....4.2.76......5...249.....9.53..9..83...5 2
...45.78.457....36...3..514.49......37..4....6.5.9..4.5.493.6..79..643.....7.54.. 2
...456..945.18.........74.5.95......3.4...5..81....9..5.13..8.4......19.94.8...53 2
.2..56......1.92.668.273...2.8...69..169...48.4.6..1.2......9...62.948.1.9......4 2
.23......4.6....2.79.132....3..75.91.7.39.25....2.1...3....7...5.792..3....5.3.7. 2
.23.56......18.23....2734....5.......9....5...4659.32.56.....42.34..295.9.2..56.3 2
1..4..7.94.71.923........142..578.......3147.7..6.4...37..1.94........239.2.4.1.7 2
1..4.678.4..18.2.66...72........1..8..18..4.2...6..17..14...62779..6.....36.1.... 2
1.3...7.9.571...3669.7..51...5.....7.......5.9.1..5.63.19.24......3.7.91..6918... 2
1.3..67.9.57..9.36......15..7....69...69...71.1976.3.5..584.......2.5......6.35.7 2
123.56......18.23....273.5.2.6..59...15...3..9.......53..6..59....3...12.9.5..6.3 2
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Thu May 15, 2025 7:21 am

2 more chunks closed,
now 2/3 of my target are covered. The ratio starts/solution grids expected to be 1/2 in average goes down slowly but still around 1.5/1.
At the end, we could have covered 50M starts out of 2800M,slightly below 2%.
A vicinity search at this point should start.
Again one poor chunk (17M) in high ratings and one better (18M) with similar ratios of ratings over 10.5

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..........92..7.........763...13..781..7.86.5....5631..7..81.36..85.3..7...67.85.;11.3/11.3/2.6
67.43..........4.....819.....598..31...3.15.4....5489..9..43......1.8...83.59.14.;11.5/11.2/2.6
......2...3.4......5...2......21..89.2.8.94.6..9.4612.69..28.4....6.49.2...19.86.;11.5/11.5/6.6


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.....2.....1.7.....34..9......65..97.659.72.1....2156..7..16.5....7.59.6...29.17.;11.3/11.3/10.5
....1....29............6.....513..781..7.86.5....6531.57..81..3..85.31.7...67.58.;11.3/11.3/2.6
3.........4......2..57.......621..97...6.52.1....7956..9..62.1....1.76.9.6.95.72.;11.3/11.3/9.0
...1.5...84........3..........65..79...2.15.6..6.9721.97..16..2.6.5.91.7...72.69.;11.5/10.6/7.6
.9....7.....65.....42...6.....13..781..7.85.6....6531...8.71.53...5.68.7...38..6.;11.5/11.0/2.6
8.......7....71...347........612..79...7.96.5..9.5621.....17.92...5.2..6...69.75.;11.5/11.5/2.6
.....2....3.....9..48......1..56..79...2.15.6....9721..97.15.6.......1.7.1672.95.;11.5/11.5/3.4
...1.5...84......1.3..........65..79...2.15.6..6.9721.97..16..2...5.91.7...72.69.;11.6/11.6/3.2
3..........57......4......2..621..97...6.52.1....7956..9..26.1....1.79.661.95.72.;11.6/11.6/9.3
.5.97.............1.35...98.4.72..89...8.45.7....9524...4....2....2..8.4..845.97.;11.6/2.0/2.0


And thanks to coloin, all the recent discussions give me a better idea of the vicinity to draft.
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Thu May 15, 2025 2:41 pm

coloin wrote:In twin puzzles there is one or more UAs in the puzzle clues so if the invert puzzle [if multi solution] has x solution there are x twin puzzles.
The PMs in all the puzzles are the same so its essentially all the same way to solve the puzzle.
here is a puzzle and its invert ...
Code: Select all
98765.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....277.9...5.8
.....1234523.7861941629.785..13.5.4.3..8.41...4.917..3..47863.11..5394...3.142.6.   invert grid has 18 sol

All the twin puzzles can have have this invert - so all the PM grids will be the same so they all will have the same solution path
Code: Select all
* *                            *   *  * *  **  *    *                 *** *        14 clue UA
98765.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....277.9...5.8  ** original
78965.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.92.6..576.5...82.25.....9..68....729.7...5.8 one of the other 17 twins
....


interesting example when you dig in it

I marked the cells of your UA
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+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 9*    8     7*    | 6     5     12    | 1234  134   134   |
| 135   123   136   | 4     1789  12789 | 12367 1368  1359  |
| 145   124   146   | 12789 1789  3     | 12467 1468  1459  |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 8     7     134   | 135   6*    145   | 9     134   2*    |
| 134   9     5*    | 138   2*    148   | 134   7*    6*   |
| 6     134   2*    | 1379  13479 1479  | 8     5*    134   |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 2     5     134   | 1378  13478 14678 | 1346  9     134   |
| 134   6     8     | 1359  1349  1459  | 134   2*    7*    |
| 7*    134   9*    | 123   134   1246  | 5     1346  8     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+


this UA has 2 subsets 79r19c12 and 26rr56c59 My brute force would likely deliver only these 2.
The first one is modified as it was an isolated pattern.
The second one would give a different seed if it was processed alone.

But maybe the 2 subsets are in your 18 UAs.

Another point is that one UA can have more than one morph
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby coloin » Thu May 15, 2025 3:50 pm

Code: Select all
+---+---+---+
|...|651|234|
|523|478|619|
|416|293|785|
+---+---+---+
|..1|3.5|.4.|
|3..|8.4|1..|
|64.|917|..3|
+---+---+---+
|..4|786|3.1|
|16.|539|4..|
|.3.|142|.6.|
+---+---+---+     18 solutions

For each solution grid there are  usually 2 pairs of 2 composite UAs which cover the unavoidable sets in the 26 free cells
usually 2 clues is enough to solve the invert ..

+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 789  789  789  | 6    5    1    | 2    3    4    |
| 5    2    3    | 4    7    8    | 6    1    9    |
| 4    1    6    | 2    9    3    | 7    8    5    |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 2789 789  1    | 3    26   5    | 89   4    2678 |
| 3    579  2579 | 8    26   4    | 1    2579 267  |
| 6    4    258  | 9    1    7    | 58   25   3    |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+
| 29   59   4    | 7    8    6    | 3    259  1    |
| 1    6    278  | 5    3    9    | 4    27   278  |
| 789  3    5789 | 1    4    2    | 589  6    78   |
+----------------+----------------+----------------+

18 solutions

789651234523478619416293785871325946392864157645917823254786391168539472937142568
789651234523478619416293785871325946395864127642917853254786391168539472937142568
789651234523478619416293785871325946395864172642917853254786391167539428938142567
789651234523478619416293785871325946395864172642917853254786391168539427937142568
789651234523478619416293785871365942395824176642917853254786391167539428938142567
789651234523478619416293785871365942395824176642917853254786391168539427937142568
879651234523478619416293785781325946392864157645917823254786391168539472937142568
879651234523478619416293785781325946395864127642917853254786391168539472937142568
879651234523478619416293785781325946395864172642917853254786391167539428938142567
879651234523478619416293785781325946395864172642917853254786391168539427937142568
879651234523478619416293785781365942395824176642917853254786391167539428938142567
879651234523478619416293785781365942395824176642917853254786391168539427937142568
978651234523478619416293785781325946395864172642917853254786391167539428839142567
978651234523478619416293785781365942395824176642917853254786391167539428839142567
987651234523478619416293785871325946392864157645917823254786391168539472739142568
987651234523478619416293785871325946395864127642917853254786391168539472739142568
987651234523478619416293785871325946395864172642917853254786391168539427739142568
987651234523478619416293785871365942395824176642917853254786391168539427739142568

98765.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....277.9...5.8 # original

18 twin puzzles

78965.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.92.6..576.5...82.25.....9..68....729.7...5.8
78965.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.95.6..276.2...85.25.....9..68....729.7...5.8
78965.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.95.6..726.2...85.25.....9..67....289.8...5.7
78965.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.95.6..726.2...85.25.....9..68....279.7...5.8
78965.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..67....289.8...5.7
78965.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....279.7...5.8
87965.......4..........3...78..2.9.6.92.6..576.5...82.25.....9..68....729.7...5.8
87965.......4..........3...78..2.9.6.95.6..276.2...85.25.....9..68....729.7...5.8
87965.......4..........3...78..2.9.6.95.6..726.2...85.25.....9..67....289.8...5.7
87965.......4..........3...78..2.9.6.95.6..726.2...85.25.....9..68....279.7...5.8
87965.......4..........3...78..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..67....289.8...5.7
87965.......4..........3...78..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....279.7...5.8
97865.......4..........3...78..2.9.6.95.6..726.2...85.25.....9..67....288.9...5.7
97865.......4..........3...78..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..67....288.9...5.7
98765.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.92.6..576.5...82.25.....9..68....727.9...5.8
98765.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.95.6..276.2...85.25.....9..68....727.9...5.8
98765.......4..........3...87..2.9.6.95.6..726.2...85.25.....9..68....277.9...5.8
98765.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....277.9...5.8 # original


of course gridchecker works all this out in a ms probably just doing the above !!

I think the 18 solutions have all the morphs of the UAs.

And yes I tend to do the follow up vicinity search on the new twin puzzles

but a vicinity search on more "worthwhile" puzzles might be more productive ?
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Re: Non degenerated tridagon puzzles direct search

Postby champagne » Thu May 15, 2025 4:37 pm

Code: Select all
98765.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..68....277.9...5.8 # original
78965.......4..........3...87..6.9.2.95.2..766.2...85.25.....9..67....289.8...5.7

Here is the "18" with the UA4 9r19c12
IMO These twin close to the original have a better chance to give good results
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