March 31, 2019

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March 31, 2019

Postby ArkieTech » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:33 am

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 *-----------*
 |.9.|2..|..3|
 |.43|1..|2..|
 |1..|.64|5..|
 |---+---+---|
 |..8|..7|.2.|
 |...|...|...|
 |.5.|6..|9..|
 |---+---+---|
 |..1|45.|..9|
 |..4|..6|75.|
 |5..|..2|.3.|
 *-----------*


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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby Ngisa » Sun Mar 31, 2019 12:30 pm

Code: Select all
+---------------------+-----------------+--------------------+
| 6        9       5  | 2     7       8 | 14     14      3   |
|i7-8      4       3  | 1     9       5 | 2      78      6   |
| 1        278    a27 | 3     6       4 | 5      9       78  |
+---------------------+-----------------+--------------------+
| 9       f13      8  | 5     34      7 | 6      2       14  |
| 247     e127     6  | 8     24      9 | 3     d147     5   |
| 2347     5      b27 | 6     234     1 | 9     c478    c478 |
+---------------------+-----------------+--------------------+
| 27       27      1  | 4     5       3 | 8      6       9   |
|h38      g38      4  | 9     1       6 | 7      5       2   |
| 5        6       9  | 7     8       2 | 14     3       14  |
+---------------------+-----------------+--------------------+

(7)r3c3 = r6c3 - r6c89 = (7-1)r5c8 = r5c2 - (1=3)r4c2 - (3=8)r8c2 - r8c1 = (8)r2c1 => - 7r2c1; stte

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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby SteveG48 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:02 pm

Code: Select all
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 | 6     9     5     | 2     7     8     | 14    14    3     |
 |c78    4     3     | 1     9     5     | 2     78    6     |
 | 1    d278   27    | 3     6     4     | 5     9     78    |
 *-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 9     13    8     | 5     34    7     | 6     2     14    |
 |b247 bd127   6     | 8     24    9     | 3    a147   5     |
 | 2347  5     27    | 6     234   1     | 9     478   78    |
 *-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 |b27  bd27    1     | 4     5     3     | 8     6     9     |
 | 38    38    4     | 9     1     6     | 7     5     2     |
 | 5     6     9     | 7     8     2     | 14    3     14    |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*


7r5c8 = (7X-wing r57c12) - (7=8)r2c1 - (8=127)r357c2 => -1 r5c8 ; stte
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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby SpAce » Sun Mar 31, 2019 1:37 pm

Ugly.

Code: Select all
.-------------------.-----------.-------------------.
|   6      9     5  | 2  7    8 | 14   14      3    |
| bc78     4     3  | 1  9    5 | 2   a78      6    |
|   1     c278  d27 | 3  6    4 | 5    9       78   |
:-------------------+-----------+-------------------:
|   9    fg13    8  | 5  34   7 | 6    2      g1(4) |
|  f247   f127   6  | 8  24   9 | 3   g14(7)   5    |
|   2347   5    e27 | 6  234  1 | 9  a(8)-47   78   |
:-------------------+-----------+-------------------:
|   27     27    1  | 4  5    3 | 8    6       9    |
|   38   de38    4  | 9  1    6 | 7    5       2    |
|   5      6     9  | 7  8    2 | 14   3       14   |
'-------------------'-----------'-------------------'

(8)r[6=2]c8 - r2c1 = (87)b1p84 - (8|7)r8c2,r3c3 = (37)r8c2,r6c3 - (3|7)r4c2,r5c12 = (147)r4c29,r5c8 => -47 r6c8; stte
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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby SpAce » Sun Mar 31, 2019 2:04 pm

SteveG48 wrote:7r5c8 = (7X-wing r57c12) - (7=8)r2c1 - (8=127)r357c2 => -1 r5c8 ; stte

Very nice! It's a rare treat for me to spot such useful almost-fishes :(

Btw, my personal preference of writing it with the UFG-style:

7r5c8 = r57\c12 - (7=8)r2c1 ...

or:

7r5c8 = 7:r57\c12 - (7=8)r2c1 ...
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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby Sudtyro2 » Sun Mar 31, 2019 5:04 pm

Code: Select all
+--------------------+-------------+-----------------+
|  6      9     5    | 2   7    8  | 14   14      3  |
| e8-7*   4     3    | 1   9    5  | 2   C78*     6  |
|  1      278#  27*  | 3   6    4  | 5    9     B78  |
+--------------------+-------------+-----------------+
|  9     c13    8    | 5   34   7  | 6    2      14  |
|  247   b127   6    | 8   24   9  | 3   a147#   5   |
|  2347#  5     27*  | 6   234  1  | 9    478*  A78# |
+--------------------+-------------+-----------------+
|  27     27    1    | 4   5    3  | 8    6      9   |
| d38    c38    4    | 9   1    6  | 7    5      2   |
|  5      6     9    | 7   8    2  | 14   3      14  |
+---------------+------------------+-----------------+
In 7s, a 5-link oddagon(*) with four guardians(#).
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(7-1)r5c8 = r5c2 - (1=38)r48c2 - r8c1 = 8r2c1 - 7r2c1; abcde
7r6c9 - r3c9 = 7r2c8                          - 7r2c1; ABC
7r3c2,r6c1                                    - 7r2c1; stte

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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby Cenoman » Sun Mar 31, 2019 10:24 pm

Code: Select all
 +--------------------+------------------+------------------+
 |  6      9     5    |  2    7     8    |  14   14    3    |
 |  78     4     3    |  1    9     5    |  2    78    6    |
 |  1      278*  27*  |  3    6     4    |  5    9     78   |
 +--------------------+------------------+------------------+
 |  9     c13    8    |  5    34    7    |  6    2    d14   |
 |  247    127   6    |  8    24    9    |  3    147   5    |
 | b2347*  5     2-7* |  6    234   1    |  9  da478 da78   |
 +--------------------+------------------+------------------+
 |  27*    27*   1    |  4    5     3    |  8    6     9    |
 |  38     38    4    |  9    1     6    |  7    5     2    |
 |  5      6     9    |  7    8     2    |  14   3     14   |
 +--------------------+------------------+------------------+

DP(27)r367c123 using internals (BUG-lite)
The DP has three internals, but the chains 8r3c2-r8c2=(8-3)r8c1=3r6c1 and 3r6c1-r8c1=(3-8)r8c2=8r3c2 demonstrate that 8r3c2 and 3r6c1 are equivalent (true or false together). So, 3r6c1 & 4r6c1 are considered.
(78=4)r6c89 - (4==3)r6c1 - (3=1)r4c2 - (1=487)b6p389 => -7 r6c3; ste
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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby SteveG48 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 1:50 am

SpAce wrote:Btw, my personal preference of writing it with the UFG-style:

7r5c8 = r57\c12 - (7=8)r2c1 ...


So the backslash represents an X-wing, or is it something more general? Certainly looks clean. Tell me again where I can find a tutorial on this notation.
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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby SpAce » Mon Apr 01, 2019 4:05 am

SteveG48 wrote:
SpAce wrote:7r5c8 = r57\c12 - (7=8)r2c1 ...

So the backslash represents an X-wing, or is it something more general? Certainly looks clean. Tell me again where I can find a tutorial on this notation.

It's from the Ultimate Fish Guide. The backslash separates the base and cover sectors (houses), or truths and links in Allan Barker's set logic terms. In this case r57 are the base sectors, and because there are two of them, it's a 2-fish i.e. X-Wing. Since there are two cover sectors (c12) as well, it's a finless fish (i.e. Rank 0 in set logic terms). At first I didn't like the backslash because it reminds me of Windows paths, but I guess it means set difference in mathematics so it actually makes sense.

There's also a standard UFG notation for finned fishes but personally I prefer the Obi-Wahn notation of just adding more cover sectors for the fins (i.e. using Rank 1+ logic). Neither the UFG or the Obi-Wahn system includes other than single-digit fishes, but I've added the multi-digit extension for my own use as "Alien Fishes" (basically truths and links written using the backslash notation -- why not because the concept is exactly the same?). With that basically any sudoku logic can be written as a fish.
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Re: March 31, 2019

Postby SteveG48 » Mon Apr 01, 2019 12:49 pm

I like it. Of course, now that I've got that tool, I'll probably never spot another almost fish.
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