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It ain't pretty, but ...

Postby OscarSeurat » Sat Sep 22, 2018 3:42 am

Hi,

I banged on my software, kicked it from the sides, and it coughed up this puzzle. Not a pretty one, but the Sudoku Explainer says that it’s decently difficult (8.5). So no nice pattern this time; instead, I put a diagonally symmetric “Tortoise” puzzle in the “Books” section of this forum ("Tortoise" is not as decently difficult though – 7.3).

So long,
Oscar

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*-----------*
|.7.|5..|...|
|..2|.1.|8..|
|6..|...|.3.|
|---+---+---|
|.9.|7..|.1.|
|...|...|..5|
|8..|.2.|6..|
|---+---+---|
|...|..6|2..|
|..5|...|.7.|
|1..|4..|..9|
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.7.5.......2.1.8..6......3..9.7...1.........58...2.6.......62....5....7.1..4....9
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Re: It ain't pretty, but ...

Postby SpAce » Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:08 am

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.--------------------.---------------------.------------------------.
| 349   7      13489 | 5      34689  23489 | h149     2469    1246  |
| 3459  345    2     | 369    1      3479  |  8       4(5)69  467   |
| 6     1458   1489  | 289    4789   24789 | h1479-5  3       1247  |
:--------------------+---------------------+------------------------:
| 2345  9      346   | 7      34568  3458  |cb34      1       28    |
| 2347  12346  13467 | 13689  34689  13489 |hb3479    28      5     |
| 8     1345   1347  |d139    2      13459 |  6      c49     c347   |
:--------------------+---------------------+------------------------:
| 3479  348    34789 |e1389   35789  6     |  2       48-5    1348  |
| 2349  23468  5     |e12389  389   f12389 | g134     7       13468 |
| 1     2368   3678  | 4      3578   23578 | a3(5)    68-5    9     |
'--------------------'---------------------'------------------------'

(5=3)r9c7 - r45c7 = (493)r4c7,r6c89 - (9|3=1)r6c4 - r78c4 = r8c6 - r8c7 = (179-5)r135c7 = (5)r2c8

=> -5 r3c7, r7c89; lclste

Added: a slightly simpler variant:

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.--------------------.---------------------.----------------------.
| 349   7      13489 | 5      34689  23489 |   149    2469  1246  |
| 3459  345    2     | 369    1      3479  |   8      4569  467   |
| 6     1458   1489  | 289    4789   24789 |   14579  3     1247  |
:--------------------+---------------------+----------------------:
| 2345  9      346   | 7      34568  3458  |gcb(34)   1     28    |
| 2347  12346  13467 | 13689  34689  13489 |  b3479   28    5     |
| 8     1345   1347  |d139    2      13459 |   6     c49   c347   |
:--------------------+---------------------+----------------------:
| 3479  348    34789 |e1389   35789  6     |   2      458   1348  |
| 2349  23468  5     |e12389  389   f12389 |  g1(34)  7     13468 |
| 1     2368   3678  | 4      3578   23578 | a(5)-3   568   9     |
'--------------------'---------------------'----------------------'

(5=3)r9c7 - r45c7 = (493)r4c7,r6c89 - (9|3=1)r6c4 - r78c4 = r8c6 - (1=43)r84c7 => -3 r9c7; lclste
Last edited by SpAce on Sat Sep 22, 2018 6:55 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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        *        |=()=|    /  _  \    |=()=|               *
            *    |    |   |-=( )=-|   |    |      *
     *                     \  ¯  /                   *   

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Re: It ain't pretty, but ...

Postby Ngisa » Sat Sep 22, 2018 4:32 pm

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+----------------------+-----------------------+-------------------------+
| 349    7       13489 | 5       34689   23489 |e1*49     d2469   f1246  |
| 3459   345     2     | 369     1       3479  | 8        d4569    467   |
| 6      1458    1489  | 289     4789    24789 |a1*479*-5  3      f1247  |
+----------------------+-----------------------+-------------------------+
| 2345   9       346   | 7       34568   3458  |k34        1       28    |
| 2347   12346   13467 | 13689   34689   13489 |b3*479     28      5     |
| 8      1345    1347  | i139    2       13459 | 6        c49*     j347  |
+----------------------+-----------------------+-------------------------+
| 3479   348     34789 | h1*389  35789   6     | 2         458    g1348  |
| 2349   23468   5     | 12389   389     12389 | 134       7       13468 |
| 1      2368    3678  | 4       3578    23578 | L35       568     9     |
+----------------------+-----------------------+-------------------------+

Chain ain't pretty, but...
(5-1*79*)r3c7 = (7-3*9)r5c7 = (9*)r6c8 - r12c8 = (9-1)r1c7 = r13c9 - r7c9 = (1*)r7c4 - (1*9*=3)r6c4 - r6c9 = (3)r4c7 - (3=5)r9c7 => - 5r3c7; lclste

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Re: It ain't pretty, but ...

Postby Cenoman » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:16 pm

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 +-------------------------+--------------------------+-------------------------+
 |  349    7       13489   |  5       34689   23489   |  149     2469   1246    |
 |  3459   345     2       |  369     1       3479    |  8       4569   467     |
 |  6      1458    1489    |  289     4789    24789   |  14579   3      1247    |
 +-------------------------+--------------------------+-------------------------+
 |  2345   9       346     |  7       34568   3458    | d34z     1      28      |
 |  2347   12346   13467   |  13689   34689  b13489   |  3479    28     5       |
 |  8      1345    1347    |Aa139x    2      b13459   |  6       49y   B347     |
 +-------------------------+--------------------------+-------------------------+
 |  3479   348     34789   |  1389    35789   6       |  2       458   C1348    |
 |  2349   23468   5       |  12389   389    c12389   | d134     7     C13468   |
 |  1      2368    3678    |  4       3578    23578   |  5-3     568    9       |
 +-------------------------+--------------------------+-------------------------+

Kraken cell (139)r6c4
(1)r6c4-r56c6=r8c6-(1=43)r48c7
(3)r6c4-r6c9=(3)r78c9
(9)r6c4-(9=4)r6c8-(4=3)r4c7
=> -3 r9c7; lclste
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Re: It ain't pretty, but ...

Postby SpAce » Sat Sep 22, 2018 8:30 pm

Ngisa wrote:(5-1*79*)r3c7 = (7-3*9)r5c7 = (9*)r6c8 - r12c8 = (9-1)r1c7 = r13c9 - r7c9 = (1*)r7c4 - (1*9*=3)r6c4 - r6c9 = (3)r4c7 - (3=5)r9c7 => - 5r3c7; lclste

Nice logic! I don't mind the complexity, but I have a bit of a hard time following those undifferentiated memory markers, and I'd really like to see strong links at both ends. But, we all have different preferences and that makes life interesting. I might write your chain like this:

(5)r9c7 = (5*-7)r3c7 = (7%-9)r5c7 = (9^)r6c8 - r12c8 = (9*5-1)r13c7 = r13c9 - r7c9 = r7c4 - (1|^9=3)r6c4 - r6c9,%r5c7 = (3)r4c7 

=> -3 r9c7; lclste
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Re: It ain't pretty, but ...

Postby rjamil » Sat Sep 22, 2018 10:07 pm

Hi all,

First of all, am unable to solve this puzzle without guess.

But, interestingly to share some thoughts. After a hidden pair in box 6 clues 28, there are only two cells left that have only 2 clues remain, i.e., r49c7.

After guessing first clue from first cell (or by applying any complex move by Clement, Cenoman and SpAce), i.e., [either] 3 @ r4c7 [or 5 @ r9c7], my program solve stte i/o lclste.

Note: Try to find Hidden single first.

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Re: It ain't pretty, but ...

Postby SpAce » Sun Sep 23, 2018 12:21 pm

Has anyone else tried the Tortoise mentioned in the original post? Despite the lower SE rating, it seemed much more challenging to find a single step solution. At least mine is absolutely horrible :? Hodoku didn't even find any. Can anyone find something simpler?

...97........2.59....836.1...8...6...3....451.4....9.397...4.....268......3......

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.-------------------.------------------.--------------------.
| 168    1268  146  | 9      7    5    | 238   2346  2468   |
| 3      68    6-7  | 4      2    1    | 5     9     6(7)8  |
| 5(#7)  259   4579 | 8      3    6    | 2-7   1     24-7   |
:-------------------+------------------+--------------------:
| 15     159   8    | 135    4    39   | 6     27    27     |
| 267    3     679  | 27     69   8    | 4     5     1      |
| 12567  4     1567 | 15     156  27   | 9     8     3      |
:-------------------+------------------+--------------------:
| 9      7     156  | 135#2  15   4    | 1238  236   2568   |
| 145    15    2    | 6      8    39#7 | 137   347   4579   |
| 14568  1568  3    | 1257   159  279  | 127   2467  245679 |
'-------------------'------------------'--------------------'

DP(27)r56c1,b5p49,r9c46 externals

(7)r3c1
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(2-3)r7c4 = r8c6 - (3)r4c6|(9)r8c6 = (9)r4c6*&r8c9^ - r4c2 =UR= (4)r8c1 -
||                             (5)r8c1,^r8c9 = r8c2 - (5|*9=1)r4c2 - (1=5)r4c1 - (5=7)r3c1
||
||
(7)r8c6 -|- (3)r8c6 = (3-9)r4c6 = (9)r5c5 - (9)r5c3 = (9-4)r3c3 ================ (4-7)r3c9
         |   ||                    |         ||                                     ||
     -----< (3)r7c4                |         ||                                     ||
     |   |                         |         ||                                     ||
     |   |- (7)r6c6 = (7)r5c4 ------------- (7)r5c3                            |-- (7)r3c7
     |   |             |           |         ||                                |    ||
     | ----------------|           |        (6)r5c3 - (6=15)r7c35 - (5)r7c9    |   (7)r2c9
     | | |                         |                                 ||        |
     | | |- (9)r8c6 = (9)r8c9 ------------------------------------- (5)r8c9    |
     | |                           |                                 ||        |
     | |                      ------------------------------------< (5)r9c9    |
     | |                      |    |                                           |
     | |                      |    |- (9)r9c5                                  |
     | |                      |        ||                                      |
     | |----------- (2)r5c4   |------ (5)r9c5                                  |
     |               ||                ||                                      |
     |------------- (2)r7c4           (1)r9c5 ----------------------- (1)r9c7  |
                     ||                                                ||      |
                    (2)r9c4 ----------------------------------------- (2)r9c7  |
                                                                       ||      |
                                                                      (7)r9c7 -

-> (7)r3c1 == (7)r2c9 => -7 r2c3, r3c79; stte
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