Can somebody give me ideas about generating Killer Sudoku puzzles.

I already have code to generate sudoku puzzles.

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Can somebody give me ideas about generating Killer Sudoku puzzles.

I already have code to generate sudoku puzzles.

I already have code to generate sudoku puzzles.

- surendra.jain
**Posts:**27**Joined:**15 August 2015**Location:**India

The following steps i probably would do for my tool.

-Generate filled sudoku grid

-Apply logic for killers

-Empty cells by logic or bruteforce

This would result in a killer sudoku, however that will not guarantee that every killer logic will be used.

To rate you generated killer sudoku you need a solver or logic generator.

You still need:

-Generate killer groups

-Extra killer logic that validates your sudoku is still solvable.

-Generate filled sudoku grid

-Apply logic for killers

-Empty cells by logic or bruteforce

This would result in a killer sudoku, however that will not guarantee that every killer logic will be used.

To rate you generated killer sudoku you need a solver or logic generator.

You still need:

-Generate killer groups

-Extra killer logic that validates your sudoku is still solvable.

- creint
**Posts:**29**Joined:**20 January 2018

I have written a killer sudoku solver by brute forced. But it takes a long time for killer puzzles with bigger cages (e.g. 8 and 9). Is there a fast killer puzzle solver available (using brute force or DFS). please let me know.

I am also writing a code to solve killer sudoku puzzles by logic.

I am also writing a code to solve killer sudoku puzzles by logic.

- surendra.jain
**Posts:**27**Joined:**15 August 2015**Location:**India

There are some i have seen could do it:

-ChewDoku

-Color Sudoku

-skjgeek (never tested)

When validating that the killer sudoku has a single solution you only need to check if filled killers are valid.

I dont know what you mean with "long time", solving a normal sudoku with bruteforce is less that 1 sec. Those extra check should not be that hard.

My solver can solve some killers sudoku but has no bruteforce yet.

-ChewDoku

-Color Sudoku

-skjgeek (never tested)

When validating that the killer sudoku has a single solution you only need to check if filled killers are valid.

I dont know what you mean with "long time", solving a normal sudoku with bruteforce is less that 1 sec. Those extra check should not be that hard.

My solver can solve some killers sudoku but has no bruteforce yet.

- creint
**Posts:**29**Joined:**20 January 2018

I could not get ChewDoku and Color Sudoku. Are they for laptops. Also, do they have source code also. skjgeek is my website ..

By long time I mean, if you have a 3 cell sum clue as 6. then the number of permutations can be ([1,2,3],[1,3,2],[2,1,3],[2,3,1],[3,1,2],[3,2,1]) .. so for a large cage like 8 and 9 cells long the number of permutations is 8! and 9! ,which takes a long time. For sudoku we do not consider each permutations of sum. The brute force sudoku solver of mine also takes less than a sec to solve. Currently, I am writing a killer logic solver software which will be undoubtedly faster than brute force killer solver.

The same thing with kakuro solver. My kakuro logic solver is faster than kakuro brute force solver (as kakuro also contains sums that take long time for brute force solver)

By long time I mean, if you have a 3 cell sum clue as 6. then the number of permutations can be ([1,2,3],[1,3,2],[2,1,3],[2,3,1],[3,1,2],[3,2,1]) .. so for a large cage like 8 and 9 cells long the number of permutations is 8! and 9! ,which takes a long time. For sudoku we do not consider each permutations of sum. The brute force sudoku solver of mine also takes less than a sec to solve. Currently, I am writing a killer logic solver software which will be undoubtedly faster than brute force killer solver.

The same thing with kakuro solver. My kakuro logic solver is faster than kakuro brute force solver (as kakuro also contains sums that take long time for brute force solver)

- surendra.jain
**Posts:**27**Joined:**15 August 2015**Location:**India

Color Sudoku

Site: http://petr.lastovicka.sweb.cz/games.html

Prog: http://petr.lastovicka.sweb.cz/sudoku.zip / sourceforge.net/projects/colorsudoku/files/sudoku.zip/download

Code: https://sourceforge.net/p/colorsudoku/code/

Chewdoku

Site: http://twasack.tripod.com (down)

Prog: https://www.file-upload.com/h29z3y7i6ee9

Code: not available.

Most of the killers are just another layer on a normal sudoku.

So after you added the killer layer. You start emptying cells.

Bruteforce is the same with as with normal sudoku.

But after you completely filled a killer group, you check if that group is correctly filled (earlier checks before complete are better but that is a bit harder).

You never need to do any permutations.

Site: http://petr.lastovicka.sweb.cz/games.html

Prog: http://petr.lastovicka.sweb.cz/sudoku.zip / sourceforge.net/projects/colorsudoku/files/sudoku.zip/download

Code: https://sourceforge.net/p/colorsudoku/code/

Chewdoku

Site: http://twasack.tripod.com (down)

Prog: https://www.file-upload.com/h29z3y7i6ee9

Code: not available.

Most of the killers are just another layer on a normal sudoku.

So after you added the killer layer. You start emptying cells.

Bruteforce is the same with as with normal sudoku.

But after you completely filled a killer group, you check if that group is correctly filled (earlier checks before complete are better but that is a bit harder).

You never need to do any permutations.

- creint
**Posts:**29**Joined:**20 January 2018

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