Alphabet Xoup: R

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Alphabet Xoup: R

Postby m_b_metcalf » Thu Mar 09, 2023 10:26 am

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 . . 1 2 3 4 . . .
 . . 4 . . . 1 . .
 . . 5 . . . 3 . .
 . . 2 . . . 6 . .
 . . 3 7 6 8 . . .
 . . 6 9 . . . . .
 . . 7 . 1 . . . .
 . . 8 . . 7 . . .
 . . 9 . . . 2 . .   easy

 . . 1 2 3 4 . . .
 . . 4 . . . 5 . .
 . . 6 . . . 3 . .
 . . 7 . . . 6 . .
 . . 3 6 8 7 . . .
 . . 8 5 . . . . .
 . . 2 . 1 . . . .
 . . 9 . . 2 . . .
 . . 5 . . . 9 . .   hard
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Re: Alphabet Xoup: R

Postby Hajime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:21 pm

The easy after (generalized) Intersections:
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+----------+--------+--------+ 
| 79  6   1| 2  3  4|57 59  8| 
| 3   79  4| 8 79  5| 1  2  6| 
| 8   2   5| 1 79  6| 3  4 79| 
+----------+--------+--------+ 
|479 579  2| 3 45  1| 6  8 79| 
| 1   59  3| 7  6  8| 4 59  2| 
| 47  8   6| 9 45  2|57  3  1| 
+----------+--------+--------+ 
| 2   3   7| 4  1  9| 8  6  5| 
| 6   4   8| 5  2  7| 9  1  3| 
| 5   1   9| 6  8  3| 2  7  4| 
+----------------------------+ 
Lots of bivalue cells.
To solve with XYZ Wing on candidates {479} (-7)b4r4 => (-7)r4c2
r2c2=7 Hidden Single in col 2
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Re: Alphabet Xoup: R

Postby Hajime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 4:30 pm

The hard one needs forcing chain/nets to erase candidate 9 in r4c6.
Than (generalized) intersections and basics to the end.
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Re: Alphabet Xoup: R

Postby Leren » Thu Mar 09, 2023 7:37 pm

Hi hajime. The Hard one can be solved with forcing chains. Perhaps you can provide your PM at that point and I'll see what I can do.

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Re: Alphabet Xoup: R

Postby Hajime » Thu Mar 09, 2023 8:27 pm

Some pointing/claiming and some generalized intersections and than
this is the grid just before I need a forcing net:
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+--------------+----------------+------------------+ 
| 579   5789  1|  2     3    4  | 78   6789   679  | 
|  3     2    4| 789   679  689 |  5   179    1789 | 
| 789   789   6| 1789  579  1589|  3    4      2   | 
+--------------+----------------+------------------+ 
|12459  1459  7| 1349  249   19 |  6  13589  134589| 
|12459  1459  3|  6     8    7  | 124  159    1459 | 
|12469  1469  8|  5    249  139 |1247  1379   1479 | 
+--------------+----------------+------------------+ 
| 678   3678  2|34789   1  35689| 47  35678  345678| 
| 1678  1467  9| 3478 4567   2  |1478  157  1345678| 
| 1467 13678  5| 3478  467  368 |  9    2     147  | 
+--------------------------------------------------+ 
where (-9)r4c6 is the result of the forcing net.
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Re: Alphabet Xoup: R

Postby Leren » Thu Mar 09, 2023 9:35 pm

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*--------------------------------------------------------*
| 579   5789  1 | 2     3     4     | 78   6789  679     |
| 3     2     4 | 789   679   689   | 5    179   1789    |
| 789   789   6 |d178-9 579  c1589  | 3    4     2       |
|---------------+-------------------+--------------------|
| 12459 1459  7 | 1349  249   19    | 6    13589 134589  |
| 12459 1459  3 | 6     8     7     | 124  159   1459    |
| 12469 1469  8 | 5     249   139   | 1247 1379  1479    |
|---------------+-------------------+--------------------|
| 678   3678  2 |a34789 1    b35689 | 47   35678 345678  |
| 1678  1467  9 | 3478  4567  2     | 1478 157   1345678 |
| 1467  13678 5 | 3478  467   368   | 9    2     147     |
*--------------------------------------------------------*

(9) r7c4 = (9-5) r7c6 = (5-1) r3c6 = (1) r3c4 => - 9 r3c4. This is a simple AIC that works in ordinary Sudoku as well.

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*-----------------------------------------------------------*
| 579     5789  1 | 2     3    4     | 78    6789   679     |
| 3       2     4 | 789   679  689   | 5    e179   d1789    |
| 789     789   6 | 178   579  1589  | 3     4      2       |
|-----------------+------------------+----------------------|
| 12459   1459  7 | 1349  249  19    | 6     13589  134589  |
| 12459   1459  3 | 6     8    7     | 124   159    1459    |
| 12469   1469  8 | 5     249  139   | 1247  1379   1479    |
|-----------------+------------------+----------------------|
| 678     3678  2 | 34789 1    35689 | 47    35678  345678  |
| 1678  fa467-1 9 | 3478  4567 2     |b1478 b157   b1345678 |
| 1467    13678 5 | 3478  467  368   | 9     2     c147     |
*-----------------------------------------------------------*

(1) r8c2 - r8c789 = r9c9 - r2c9 = r2c8 - r8c2 => - 1 r8c2. This is a diagonal based grouped X chain.

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*---------------------------------------------------------*
|a579bB 5789  1 | 2     3    4     | 78    6789   679     |
| 3     2     4 | 789   679  689   | 5     179    1789    |
| 789A  789A  6 | 178A  579  1589  | 3     4      2       |
|---------------+------------------+----------------------|
| 12459 1459  7 | 349-1 249  19    | 6     13589  134589  |
| 12459 1459  3 | 6     8    7     | 124   159    1459    |
| 12469 1469  8 | 5     249  139   | 1247  1379   1479    |
|---------------+------------------+----------------------|
| 678   3678  2 | 34789 1    35689 |a47a   35678  345678  |
| 1678  467   9 | 3478  4567 2     | 1478 a157    1345678 |
| 1467  13678 5 | 3478  467  368   | 9     2     a147a    |
*---------------------------------------------------------*
3 Petal Death Blossom: Stem Cell r1c1 {579};

(1=5) r7c7, r8c8, r9c9 - (5) r1c1

(1=7) r7c7, r9c9       - (7) r1c1;

(1=9) r3c124           - (9) r1c1; => - 1 r4c4

This works the same way as it does in ordinary Sudoku but two of the ALSs are at the bottom of the \ diagonal. I'll stop there, but after the DB you can make progress with some easy moves.

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Re: Alphabet Xoup: R

Postby Hajime » Fri Mar 10, 2023 11:51 am

I see now that AIC's are half implemented in SiSeSuSo. Thanks Leren.
Also grouped chains and also Death Blossoms are not part of SiSeSuSo.
Lot of work to do, to avoid Forcing Chains.

Or is an AIC same as a Forcing Chain in SE?
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