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where is the exotic pattern here

Postby champagne » Sun Nov 23, 2025 10:38 am

trying to split puzzles in two groups, with TH and without TH, I have several puzzles looking like this one rating skfr 11.0

12....7..6.9..751..5719.2.6.16...9.57.5.196..29.65.17.......8.1....4.3......8.45.
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1    2    348 |3458  36   34568 |7  3489 3489
6    348  9   |2348  23   7     |5  1    348 
348  5    7   |1     9    348   |2  348  6   
---------------------------------------------
348  1    6   |23478 237  2348  |9  2348 5   
7    348  5   |2348  1    9     |6  2348 2348
2    9    348 |6     5    348   |1  7    348 
---------------------------------------------
3459 3467 234 |23579 2367 2356  |8  269  1   
589  678  128 |2579  4    1256  |3  269  279 
39   367  123 |2379  8    1236  |4  5    279 


all have the fully given row or column as here column 7
and 2 more of the 3 "potential TH" digits as here 48r89c5

I see no TH threat here
should be a common pattern to explain this high rating
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Re: where is the exotic pattern here

Postby totuan » Sun Nov 23, 2025 3:33 pm

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 *---------------------------------------------------------------------*
 |  1      2     #48+3   | 3458   36     34568  | 7      3489   3489   |
 |  6     a348    9      | 2348  #2+3    7      | 5      1     a348    |
 | b348    5      7      | 1      9     b348    | 2     #48+3   6      |
 |-----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 |b#48+3   1      6      | 23478  237    2348   | 9      2348   5      |
 |  7     a348    5      |#248+3  1      9      | 6      2348   2348   |
 |  2      9    ab348    | 6      5     b348    | 1      7    a#48+3   |
 |-----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 |  3459   3467   234    | 23579  2367   2356   | 8      269    1      |
 |  589    678    128    | 2579   4      1256   | 3      269    279    |
 |  39     367    123    | 2379   8      1236   | 4      5      279    |
 *---------------------------------------------------------------------*

The same marek’s here, whichever (3|4|8)r1c3 => (3|4|8)’s at #-marked cells => +3’s at marked cells, stte

Thanks for the puzzle!
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Re: where is the exotic pattern here

Postby ghfick » Sun Nov 23, 2025 5:55 pm

Hi champagne and totuan,
I am trying to flow totuan's technique. I might call it a cell forcing chain where the starter cell is r1c3. I am unable to see that the digit 3 is placed in several cells no matter whether r1c3 is 3, 4 or 8. The 3 placements are not easy (for me). Do the 3 placements require advanced steps with each value for r1c3 assigned?
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Re: where is the exotic pattern here

Postby totuan » Sun Nov 23, 2025 6:40 pm

Hi Gordon,
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 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 1      2     A348    | 3458   36     34568  | 7     *3489  *3489   |
 | 6      348&   9      | 2348   23     7      | 5      1     b348&   |
 |*348#   5      7      | 1      9      348#   | 2     a348    6      |
 |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 348#   1      6      | 23478  237    2348   | 9      2348   5      |
 | 7      348&   5      | 2348   1      9      | 6      2348   2348   |
 | 2      9     *348&#  | 6      5     d348#   | 1      7     c348&   |
 |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 3459   3467   234    | 23579  2367   2356   | 8      269    1      |
 | 589    678    128    | 2579   4      1256   | 3      269    279    |
 | 39     367    123    | 2379   8      1236   | 4      5      279    |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*

Let X be the digit in r1c3:
01: r1c3=X => *-marked cells r1c89,r3c1,r6c3<>X => X’s: abcd => r3c6<>X => in R3 r3c8=X
02: Oddagon &-marked cells => at least one of r5c2,r6c9 must contain X's => r5c9<>X => in C9 r6c9=X
03: Oddagon #-marked cells => r4c1=X
04: (2)&(3) => in B5 r5c4=X => in B2 r2c5=X
In cases X=(4|8) then impossible by empty cell in B2 or B5 => X=3

This can call: marek's pattern :D
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