## Where do you go from here, and why can't I see it?

Post the puzzle or solving technique that's causing you trouble and someone will help

### Where do you go from here, and why can't I see it?

Here is how it starts

*** *** *1*
5** *4* *2*
*98 **3 6**

*3* *5* 2*4
48* *** *71
7*6 *2* *9*

**9 6** 43*
*7* *8* ***
*4* *** ***

Here is as far as I can get

3 (2,6) 4 (2,5,7,8,9) (6,9) (2,6,7,8,9) (7,8,9) 1 (5,7,8,9)
5 (1,6) 7 (1,8,9) 4 (1,6,8,9) (3,8,9) 2 (3,8,9)
(1,2) 9 8 (1,2,5,7) (1,7) 3 6 4 (5,7,9)

9 3 1 (7,8) 5 (7,8) 2 6 4
4 8 2 (3,9) (3,6,9) (6,9) 5 7 1
7 5 6 (1,4) 2 (1,4) (3,8) 9 (3,8)

8 (1,2) 9 6 (1,7) 5 4 3 (2,7)
(1,2) 7 3 (1,2,4,9) 8 (1,2,4,9) (1,9) 5 6
6 4 5 (1,2,3,7,9) (3,9) (1,2,7,9) (1,7,9) 8 (2,7,9)
DoubleB72

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Simple Sudoku says there are two solutions, so you may want to check that you posted the givens in the correct cells.

Tracy
TKiel

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How does that help?
DoubleB72

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I am sorry there is a 6 in rom 8 column 9
DoubleB72

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DoubleB72,

If a puzzle has more than one solution it can't be solved by logical techniques alone, at some point you have to guess.

Use colouring on digit 1.

Tracy
TKiel

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Colouring?
DoubleB72

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Yep, colouring can do the trick.

on the other hand...

there is a sashimi swordfish that allows you to do a bit of damage:

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`.------------------.------------------.------------------.| 3     26    4    | 25789 69    26789| 789   1     5789 || 5     16    7    | 189   4     1689 | 389   2     389  ||*12    9     8    | 1257 *17    3    | 6     4     57   |:------------------+------------------+------------------:| 9     3     1    | 78    5     78   | 2     6     4    || 4     8     2    | 39    369   69   | 5     7     1    || 7     5     6    | 14    2     14   | 38    9     38   |:------------------+------------------+------------------:| 8     12    9    | 6    #17    5    | 4     3     27   ||*12    7     3    |-1249  8    -1249 |*19    5     6    || 6     4     5    |-12379 39   -1279 |*179   8     279  |'------------------'------------------'------------------'`

Please notice that there is almost a swordfish in the starred cells (3 columns with candidates in 3 rows). The swordfish is not complete. The # cell takes the place of one of the other cells that would make the swordfish complete.

Now either the #cell contains a 1, or the 'swordfish' would take effect. In both cases, the cells I marked with - can no longer contain candidate 1. The # cell is the only candidate left in that box.

Ruud.
Ruud

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This puzzle is also discussed here.
ronk
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Thanks Ron. I thought I recognized it, with the 4 eliminations.

That said, I'll never pass an opportunity to sell more fish.

Ruud.
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### Where do you go from here and why can't I see it?

DoubleB72 wrote:Colouring?

Hi DoubleB72",
Click on HERE for an explanation of the "Colouring" technique. This link also explains some of the "basic" techniques for solving sudoku.
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