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re: Sunday Times "Superior" puzzles

Postby Pat » Mon Oct 09, 2006 10:20 am

tarek wrote:Sunday Times "Superior" puzzles tend to have as a requirement (a triple OR an X-wing).........

The puzzles above fail to do that....

I remeber 1 Pappocom Superior that failed that (but I think it was a mistake).......

When I scrutinised puzzle posted in The SUPERIOR thread, the aim was to choose puzzles with reliable & constant reproducable techniques within the (Superior techniques), the puzzles above also fail that......

If the standards have changed, "Superior" fans should be told.



as far as i know, Sunday Times "Superior" puzzles from Pappocom have (only) twice failed tarek's standard:
and now, the Sunday Times puzzles come from SuDokuSolver.com — and we don't know their standard
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re: SuDokuSolver.com "Superior" puzzles

Postby Pat » Sun Oct 15, 2006 9:23 am

in PM, Super Sudoku (2006.Oct.12) wrote:The Sunday Times will be trying out some different rating in the next few weeks.
If people complain, then it will be solid "Very Hard" from here on, always requiring X-wings to solve.

As you may have noticed, the "Superior" label has been dropped.


Very Hard puzzles from Pappocom
do not necessarily require X-wing,
often solved by trio.


as of #62 (2006.Oct.8), the "Superior" label had not been dropped;
it now has indeed been dropped as of #63 (2006.Oct.15)
The Sunday Times (2006.Oct.15) wrote:- - - - - - -Sudoku 63- - - -[ 26 clues ]
- - - - - - -Difficult

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 . . . | 7 3 . | . . 2
 . . 2 | 9 . . | . . 3
 7 . . | . 1 . | . . 5
-------+-------+------
 . . 4 | . 9 . | . . .
 . . 5 | 8 . 2 | 7 . .
 . . . | . 7 . | 8 . .
-------+-------+------
 4 . . | . 2 . | . . 8
 3 . . | . . 8 | 1 . .
 5 . . | . 4 7 | . . .


this puzzle, like #61 and #62, has a Pappocom rating of Hard.
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"super fiendish" ?

Postby Pat » Wed Oct 18, 2006 9:25 am

Pappocom (2005.Nov.15) wrote:A number of papers have requested Very Hard ("Superior") puzzles,
but I supply only The Sunday Times, by design.

- Wayne


The Times (2006.Oct.15) wrote:Michael Harvey, features editor of The Times:
    The Times will be introducing a new super fiendish category from next month.
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Postby Super Sudoku » Wed Oct 18, 2006 7:45 pm

Super Fiendish will be either equal to or harder than the very hard in the Sunday Times.
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Postby andrewd » Fri Nov 03, 2006 12:28 am

Out of interest, I entered the Sunday Times puzzle 64 into Ruud's Sudocue (V2.1). It was rated as Easy, with a Solver Score of 514.

Puzzle 21, from this forum's Superior Plus thread was rated as Tough, with a score of 1072.

Puzzle 1, from Ruud's Almost Daily Nightmare collection was rated as Hard with a score of 1563.

I look forward to the Sunday Times new Super Fiendish puzzle.


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Postby Pappocom » Mon Nov 20, 2006 4:59 pm

The Sunday Times no longer carry Pappocom puzzles. For some reason known only to themselves, they declined free Very Hard puzzles from Pappocom and made other arrangements.

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