Unfair 7.1

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Unfair 7.1

Postby AnotherLife » Thu Apr 22, 2021 4:05 pm

Can anyone offer a good solution to this puzzle (one step is not obligatory)?
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..5.......9...5..6....3.87...437..61.7.5.4.3.15..627...19.8....5..2...8.......3..

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.-------------------.-----------------.------------------.
| 24678  2468  5    | 14678  24  1678 | 1249  1249  3    |
| 3      9     1278 | 1478   24  5    | 124   124   6    |
| 246    246   126  | 1469   3   169  | 8     7     5    |
:-------------------+-----------------+------------------:
| 289    28    4    | 3      7   89   | 5     6     1    |
| 2689   7     268  | 5      1   4    | 29    3     289  |
| 1      5     3    | 89     6   2    | 7     49    489  |
:-------------------+-----------------+------------------:
| 2467   1     9    | 467    8   3    | 246   5     247  |
| 5      3     67   | 2      9   167  | 146   8     47   |
| 24678  2468  2678 | 1467   5   167  | 3     1249  2479 |
'-------------------'-----------------'------------------'
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Re: Unfair 7.1

Postby Cenoman » Thu Apr 22, 2021 8:25 pm

In three simple steps:
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 +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+
 |  678    68    5    |  178    24   18-7  |  49    249   3     |
 |  3      9     78*  |  78*    24   5     |  14    124   6     |
 |  24     24    1    |  69     3    69    |  8     7     5     |
 +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+
 |  289    28    4    |  3      7    89    |  5     6     1     |
 |  689    7   Ab68   |  5      1    4     |  29    3   Ec29-8  |
 |  1      5     3    |  89     6    2     |  7     49    489   |
 +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+
 | C467    1     9    |  46-7   8    3     |  26    5   Dc27    |
 |  5      3   Ba67*  |  2      9    167*  |  146   8     4-7   |
 |  4678   468   2    |  146-7  5    167   |  3     19   c79    |
 +--------------------+--------------------+--------------------+

1. (7=6)r8c3 - (6=8)r5c3 - (8=297)r579c9 =>-7r8c9; 2 placements
2. (7)r2c4 = r2c3 - r8c3 = r8c6 => -7 r1c6, r79c4
3. (8=6)r5c3 - (6=7)r8c3 - r7c1 = (7-2)r7c9 = (2)r5c9 => -8 r5c9; ste
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Re: Unfair 7.1

Postby AnotherLife » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:08 pm

Hi, Cenoman,
I came to the same eliminations but with the different methods.
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.---------------.-----------------.----------------.
| 678   68   5  | 178   *24  178  | 49   *249  3   |
| 3     9    78 | 78    *24  5    | 14   *124  6   |
| 24    24   1  | 69    3    69   | 8    7     5   |
:---------------+-----------------+----------------:
| 289   28   4  | 3     7    89   | 5    6     1   |
| 689   7    68 | 5     1    4    | 29   3     289 |
| 1     5    3  | 89    6    2    | 7    4-9   489 |
:---------------+-----------------+----------------:
| 467   1    9  | 467   8    3    | 26   5     27  |
| 5     3    67 | 2     9    167  | 146  8     47  |
| 4678  468  2  | 1467  5    167  | 3    19    79  |
'---------------'----------------'-----------------'

1.UR (24) r12 c58 =>-9 r6c8; 2 singles
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.---------------.-----------------.-------------.
| 678   68   5   | 178   24  18-7 | 49  29  3   |
| 3     9    *78 | f78   24  5    | 14  12  6   |
| 24    24   1   | 69    3   69   | 8   7   5   |
:----------------+----------------+-------------:
| 289   28   4   | 3     7   89   | 5   6   1   |
| 689   7    68  | 5     1   4    | 29  3   289 |
| 1     5    3   | 89    6   2    | 7   4   89  |
:----------------+----------------+-------------:
| 467   1    9   | 467   8   3    | 26  5   27  |
| 5     3    *67 | 2     9   *167 | 16  8   4   |
| 4678  468  2   | 1467  5   167  | 3   19  79  |
'----------------'----------------'-------------'

2.Finned x-wing in rows (7)r28 c36 fin r2c4 =>-7 r1c6; locked candidates in block 2 =>-7 r79c4
3.A similar chain leading to -8 r5c9; sste
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Re: Unfair 7.1

Postby Leren » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:27 pm

2 non basic steps:

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| 678  68   5   | 178  24 a17-8aA | 49  249 3    |
| 3    9   c78  |b78b  24  5      | 14  124 6    |
| 24   24   1   | 69   3   69     | 8   7   5    |
|---------------+-----------------+--------------|
| 289C 28C  4   | 3    7   89B    | 5   6   1    |
| 689D 7    68D | 5    1   4      | 29  3   289E |
| 1    5    3   | 89   6   2      | 7   49  489  |
|---------------+-----------------+--------------|
|e467  1    9   | 467c 8   3      | 26  5   27F  |
| 5    3   d67  | 2    9   167    | 146 8   47   |
| 4678 468  2   | 1467 5   167    | 3   19  79   |
*------------------------------------------------*

Kraken Row 7 Digit 7: 

8 r1c6 - (8=7) r2c4 - r2c3 = r8c3                   - 7 r7c1;

8 r1c6 - (8=7) r2c4                                 - 7 r7c4;

8 r1c6 - r4c6 = r4c12 - r5c13 = (8-2) r5c9 = 2 r7c9 - 7 r7c9; => - 8 r1c6

basics

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| 678  68  5  | 178  24  1-7 | 49 29 3  |
| 3    9  b78 |a78   24  5   | 14 12 6  |
| 2    4   1  | 6    3   9   | 8  7  5  |
|-------------+--------------+----------|
| 9    2   4  | 3    7   8   | 5  6  1  |
| 68   7   68 | 5    1   4   | 29 3  29 |
| 1    5   3  | 9    6   2   | 7  4  8  |
|-------------+--------------+----------|
| 467  1   9  | 4-7  8   3   | 26 5  27 |
| 5    3  c67 | 2    9  d167 | 16 8  4  |
| 4678 68  2  | 14-7 5   167 | 3  19 79 |
*---------------------------------------*

Skyscraper : (7) r2c4 = r2c3 - r8c3 = (7) r8c6 => - 7 r1c6, r79c4; stte
Last edited by Leren on Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:27 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Unfair 7.1

Postby AnotherLife » Thu Apr 22, 2021 9:51 pm

Hello, Leren,
Will you tell me honestly, is it easy to find a forcing chain by yourself? As for me, it is not. What is the reason to start from row 7 and end in r1c6<>8?
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Re: Unfair 7.1

Postby Leren » Thu Apr 22, 2021 10:13 pm

Hi AnotherLife,

I've said before that I'm a poor manual solver, so this solution, like all of mine, is from my PC, but there are other solvers who may be capable of this sort of thing.

The Kraken move is valid because, starting from 8 in r1c8, and reading from left to right you can show that all three, 7 in Row 7 are false. Hopefully there are no typos in my PM.

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Re: Unfair 7.1

Postby AnotherLife » Fri Apr 23, 2021 8:09 am

Leren wrote:The Kraken move is valid because, starting from 8 in r1c8, and reading from left to right you can show that all three, 7 in Row 7 are false.
Leren.

I do not argue the validity of your move, and I just want to say that it is rather hard to find the path if you do not know where to start from and where to finish. I think that a human may come to a kraren either by chance or by examining carefully all the links in the resolution state, which is a hard work. On the contrary, when you construct an AIC, you do not have to fix the starting point and the endpoint, but you just seek to join the two ends of the chain, which is doable by a human. Also, you need three chains to construct your kraken, and is it better than a three-step solution by Cenoman? I do not criticize you, and I just express my opinion on 'human-unfriendly' solutions.
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