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Postby Mowpar » Fri Oct 07, 2016 10:13 pm

Is there anyone else out there that has this problem I across all the time? When I seek to find information on a solving technique, the explanation does not usually go into detail as to why this is this and why that is that. They mostly speak to logic, a logic that seems to need no explanation. :roll:
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Re: Understanding

Postby JasonLion » Sat Oct 08, 2016 1:14 am

Short answer, there are few gifted writers working in Sudoku. The standard for accepting a new technique requires a proof, so most people focus on that, with some attention to correctness, least they get criticized, but next to no attention on making it easily understood and almost never including information on how to spot a situation where a technique applies. The one or two gifted writers that write about Sudoku tend to stick to very simple techniques described for a mass audience, while nearly all of the other descriptions were written by people working on, or near, the forefront of technique discovery. Discovering new techniques and being a good writer don't tend to go together.
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Re: Understanding

Postby Kristoforus » Sun Jul 30, 2017 12:07 pm

Simple about logic in forcing chains

Logic wich rules a strong link is: if we have 2 cand. A and B, they cant both be false AND they cant both be true. Weak connection is: if we have 2 cand. A and B, they both can be false, BUT they cant both be true. And thats all. Now i hope is clear why strong conn. can be used as weak conn. and why weak conn. cant be used as strong conn. Every chain is created from alternating weak and strong links. Logic of this 2 type connections is a result of general sudoku rules . Every unit (box, column, row) must have all values from 1 to 9 and every cel is a part of 3 units, this mean: if are only 2 possibilties one must be corect, second false - strong conn. and really true cand. cant eliminating another really true cand. - weak conn. Example how it works: our starting cand is A , we start with premise that A is true -> then( weak link) B must be false-> then C must be true. If A is really true then B must be really false. If B with another cand. C connecting strong link (s) C must be really true and again really true cand. cant eliminate another really true cand. but only really false and etc. Result: is imposible to find chain wich ending on starting A and implies that A must be false. Chain if is possible to find with this contradiction is only if A is really false cand. I hope it will help better understanding someone what forcing chains are. Bye
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Re: Understanding

Postby David P Bird » Tue Aug 01, 2017 4:01 pm

Hi Mopar, as a result of your post I have posted <An AIC Primer>.
It should help you understand the descriptions you have been reading a bit better.

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Re: Understanding

Postby pjb » Thu Aug 03, 2017 4:33 am

Additionally Mopar, I've put together a help file on chains (among other techniques) at http://www.philsfolly.net.au that may be worth your perusal.
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