The hardest, most fiendish, diabolical, "easy" puz

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The hardest, most fiendish, diabolical, "easy" puz

Postby keith » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:34 pm

I am sure this thread exists somewhere else:


What are the most difficult puzzles that do not require advanced solving techniques?

Advanced = X-wings, Uniqueness.

For example, what is the most difficult known puzzle that requires only naked singles?

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Postby Ruud » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:55 pm

Some answers can be found in the Inferior collection.

The puzzles by Wapati are a good collection of hard puzzles which do not require coloring or chains.
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Postby JPF » Wed Oct 17, 2007 10:56 pm

I don't know the answer for naked singles only, but for singles and using as rating the number of steps defined in this thread, here is the "most difficult" puzzle, given by Gordon Royle :

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 . . . | . . 1 | . 7 .
 . . 6 | . . . | 4 . .
 5 . . | . . . | . . .
-------+-------+-------
 8 1 . | . . . | . 3 .
 . . . | 4 6 . | . . .
 . . . | . 2 . | . . .
-------+-------+-------
 . . 4 | . . . | 9 . 2
 3 7 . | 8 . . | . . .
 . 9 . | . . . | . . .

30 steps

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Postby RW » Thu Oct 18, 2007 6:08 am

Once again, "most difficult" may be defined in many different ways. To me difficulty in an easy puzzle, indicates a narrow solving path. It's not only about what techniques are required and how many steps of those techniques, but should also take in consideration what alternative paths are available. Easy puzzles are meant to be solved by humans, therefore the rating should try to rate puzzles like humans would. Human solvers do not look for techniques in a specific order, but usually have a set of techniques that they apply whenever possible. If a singles 30 stepper breaks down to a 15 stepper by applying locked candidates once, then it really isn't that difficult for human solvers. I tried to start a thread on puzzles where the alternative paths would be as hard as possible a while ago, here. Here's the first example from the thread:
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 *-----------*
 |..2|..7|...|
 |..4|...|..5|
 |9.6|...|81.|
 |---+---+---|
 |...|...|34.|
 |2..|.1.|...|
 |.8.|..5|7..|
 |---+---+---|
 |.4.|8.1|.6.|
 |...|...|...|
 |3..|69.|...|
 *-----------*

If you cannot find the naked triplet, then you'll have a very hard time solving the puzzle.

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Postby Pat » Thu Oct 18, 2007 9:25 am

keith wrote:For example, what is the most difficult known puzzle that requires only -- ?


"singles" + box-line interactions --

Deano (2007.Apr.20) wrote:
      [ 21 clues ]
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...6.9.....1...7...2.....9.8...5...77...4...64...2...8.3.....2...5...3.....4.8...

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 . . . | 6 . 9 | . . .
 . . 1 | . . . | 7 . .
 . 2 . | . . . | . 9 .
-------+-------+------
 8 . . | . 5 . | . . 7
 7 . . | . 4 . | . . 6
 4 . . | . 2 . | . . 8
-------+-------+------
 . 3 . | . . . | . 2 .
 . . 5 | . . . | 3 . .
 . . . | 4 . 8 | . . .


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Postby keith » Thu Oct 25, 2007 1:07 am

Thank you, all.

Greatly appreciated!

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