...........1.....3.4..5.97.2....8.....31......6..7..4....2....8......76..5..6..9. ED=11.1/11.1/9.4
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
| 356789 23789 256789 | 346789 123489 1234679 | 124568 1258 12456 |
| 56789 2789 1 | 46789 2489 24679 | 24568 258 3 |
| 368 4 268 | 368 5 1236 | 9 7 126 |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2 179 4579 | 34569 349 8 | 1356 135 15679 |
| 45789 789 3 | 1 249 24569 | 2568 258 25679 |
| 1589 6 589 | 359 7 2359 | 12358 4 1259 |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
| 134679 1379 4679 | 2 1349 134579 | 1345 135 8 |
| 13489 12389 2489 | 34589 13489 13459 | 7 6 1245 |
| 13478 5 2478 | 3478 6 1347 | 1234 9 124 |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
coloin wrote:In looking for puzzles with fewest "bivalues"
I looked at a few puzzles ... ideally they would have clues in box count of 222222222, and clue value distribution of 22222222.
Unfortunately there are very few 18C puzzles which have an ED > x/x/6.6
A while back I searched very hard for more diamond 20C puzzles , this one has favourable clue distribution [222223322]
... and my eye can only see 3 "bivalues" ... envolving the high frequency clues
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| 356789 23789 256789 | 346789 123489 1234679 | 124568 1258 12456 |
| 56789 2789 1 | 46789 2489 24679 | 24568 258 3 |
| 368 4 268 | 368 5 1236 | 9 7 126 |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
| 2 179 4579 | 34569 349 8 | 1356 135 15679 |
| 45789 789 3 | 1 249 24569 | 2568 258 25679 |
| 1589 6 589 | 359 7 2359 | 12358 4 1259 |
+-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------+
| 134679 1379 4679 | 2 1349 134579 | 1345 135 8 |
| 13489 12389 2489 | 34589 13489 13459 | 7 6 1245 |
| 13478 5 2478 | 3478 6 1347 | 1234 9 124 |
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f-10913 (bivalue 0 136 139 231)
f-10915 (bivalue 0 142 161 441)
f-10917 (bivalue 0 443 451 444)
f-10919 (bivalue 0 644 656 456)
f-10921 (bivalue 0 348 378 383)
f-10923 (bivalue 0 749 759 467)
f-10925 (bivalue 0 749 759 397)
f-10927 (bivalue 0 671 673 476)
f-10929 (bivalue 0 671 673 276)
f-10923 (bivalue 0 749 759 467)
f-10925 (bivalue 0 749 759 397)
and
f-10927 (bivalue 0 671 673 476)
f-10929 (bivalue 0 671 673 276)
.3.21.45.41..5..235.23.41.61.5..234.72.43.5.1.431.5..225..41.3...15.32.43.482..15
nazaz wrote:
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.3.21.45.41..5..235.23.41.61.5..234.72.43.5.1.431.5..225..41.3...15.32.43.482..15
nazaz wrote:Hi. It was found partly by construction, partly by random search. The construction was to have (1,2,3,4,5) each occurring nine times, leaving four candidates for every constraint, plus one each of (6,7,8) in the hope of "pinning down" the completions to just a single grid. Then I just applied that recipe to random grids until I got a hit, but you could do that part exhaustively I guess.
.86.79..54.985.76.75...698..9.5..8765.768..2986..975..9.871.65.6.59.8..7.7..65.98
mith wrote:Assuming I'm understanding what is/isn't covered by ECP, here's another example, based on Endor Fins 2 (also SER 9.0):
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I don't think it's possible to take this approach for the stronger version; a 999991110 distribution is already rare, but aside from that with a 999911110 distribution it's not possible to place the four unique givens without creating trivalue cells. (This doesn't rule out a minimal with an early non-singles step, of course, though it's hard to imagine such a minimal that doesn't have bivalue or trivalue cells on one of the non-unique givens, if there are any not totally filled.)
123 8 6 1234 7 9 1234 134 5
4 123 9 8 5 123 7 6 123
7 5 123 1234 234 6 9 8 1234
123 9 1234 5 234 1234 8 7 6
5 134 7 6 8 134 134 2 9
8 6 1234 1234 9 7 5 134 134
9 234 8 7 1 234 6 5 234
6 1234 5 9 234 8 1234 134 7
123 7 1234 234 6 5 1234 9 8
73.4...62..2.7634..4623.1.746.7.2..3.786.342.2.3.4.67.6.732...4.2..6473.3.49.72.6 SER 9.3
from ..54..8...12...............46.7............21........86...21.........73.....5.... SER 1.5
.-----------------.-----------------.-----------------.
| 7 3 159 | 4 1589 1589 | 589 6 2 |
| 1589 1589 2 | 158 7 6 | 3 4 589 |
| 589 4 6 | 2 3 589 | 1 589 7 |
:-----------------+-----------------+-----------------:
| 4 6 159 | 7 1589 2 | 589 1589 3 |
| 159 7 8 | 6 159 3 | 4 2 159 |
| 2 159 3 | 158 4 1589 | 6 7 1589 |
:-----------------+-----------------+-----------------:
| 6 1589 7 | 3 2 158 | 589 1589 4 |
| 1589 2 159 | 158 6 4 | 7 3 1589 |
| 3 158 4 | 9 158 7 | 2 158 6 |
'-----------------'-----------------'-----------------'
nazaz wrote:Hi. It was found partly by construction, partly by random search. The construction was to have (1,2,3,4,5) each occurring nine times, leaving four candidates for every constraint, plus one each of (6,7,8) in the hope of "pinning down" the completions to just a single grid. Then I just applied that recipe to random grids until I got a hit, but you could do that part exhaustively I guess.
dobrichev wrote:
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97.85.63.56.7..9.8..8.69.7589.5.6..7.56.7.89.4.79.856.6...857.97.529..86.896.7.5. 10.2 10.2 9.4
85.79.63.67.8..9.5..9.56.8778.5.9.6.9.564..78..6.785.95.7.8..9619..6785..689.57.. 10.2 10.2 8.8
mith wrote:Ah, missed that. Ok, a bit harder to find to find a grid that works, but I did find one from the 17c solution grids:
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73.4...62..2.7634..4623.1.746.7.2..3.786.342.2.3.4.67.6.732...4.2..6473.3.49.72.6 SER 9.3
from ..54..8...12...............46.7............21........86...21.........73.....5.... SER 1.5
For one of these to work, you need the following:
1. 5 of the digits are completely given (45 givens total).
2. Three cells must be chosen from the empty cells left by those 45 givens. These three cells must be in different bands and stacks.
3. Filling three different digits in those cells must yield a unique solution. (In the examples I'm looking at, which already have a unique solution up to digit permutation, this just means the values of those cells must be different in the solution.)
4. Filling these three cells, along with the other 45 givens, must not leave any row/box or column/box intersection completely filled. (This means the 45 givens can't already filled a row/box or column/box intersection, and also that there is exactly one cell that can be potentially be chosen for each box - the cell for which both its row and its column have two empty cells in that box.)
5. The intersection of one cell's row with another cell's column must be filled with a given.
Most of the ones I looked at had an option which met all the criteria but the last, leaving one bivalue cell at that intersection. The Endor Fins 2 attempt breaks 4 (due to 876 in r4c789).
999_Springs wrote: dobrichev did an exhaustive search of all possible puzzles with 48 clues that have 5 digits all filled in and 1 each of 3 other digits, like the one you found, in 2011 and posted the hardest ones skfr 10+ here. there are 101 of them but that reduces to about 30 different ones after you do the singles at the start of some of them. there is a summary of overall skfr ratings for all 2432930 puzzles on the next page here
it could definitely be possible that some of those puzzles at the harder end have no bivalue or bilocation after you do all the singles and it would be very easy to check so thanks for coming up with that idea
i messaged dobrichev asking if he had the rest of the collection a while ago, i was looking into the 9.3+ range because i wanted some seeds for my thread on max clues for each se rating, but he said he didn't have them
edit: i have checked that the 5th and 6th puzzles in dobrichev's list have no bivalue or bilocation. there could be many moredobrichev wrote:
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97.85.63.56.7..9.8..8.69.7589.5.6..7.56.7.89.4.79.856.6...857.97.529..86.896.7.5. 10.2 10.2 9.4
85.79.63.67.8..9.5..9.56.8778.5.9.6.9.564..78..6.785.95.7.8..9619..6785..689.57.. 10.2 10.2 8.8
#76: 76.85.9..95.7.46.8..8.96.5768.9..57...5.678.9.795.8.618.6..579.53..79.86.9768...5
97.85.6..56.7..9.8..8.69.7589.5.6..7.56.7.89...79.856.6123857497.5.9..86.896.7.5. ED=7.6/7.6/2.6
85.79.6..67.8..9.5..9.5618778.5.926.9.56..378..6.785.95.7.8.496.9..6785..689.57.. ED=7.6/7.6/2.6
76.85.9..95.7..6.8..8.96.5768.9..57...5.678.9.795.8.6.816..579.523.79.8649768...5 ED=7.6/7.6/2.6
73.4...62.12.7634..4623...746.7.2..3.7.6.342.253.4.67.68732...4.2..6473.394..72.6 ED=7.1/7.1/2.6