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Sunday Times 24

Postby Lis » Sat Jan 21, 2006 11:48 am

Sunday Times superior 24 : I just can't get going past five fours and a nine. Help!
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Postby Crazy Girl » Sat Jan 21, 2006 4:27 pm

Lis
From your post I think this is where you are stuck.

Code: Select all
 . . 8 | . 2 . | . . 4
 1 6 . | 4 . . | . 8 .
 4 . 5 | . . 7 | . . .
-------+-------+------
 6 . . | 2 . . | . 4 .
 . 1 . | . . 4 | . 7 .
 . 5 4 | . . 6 | . . 9
-------+-------+------
 . . . | 9 . . | 4 . 3
 . 9 . | . 4 3 | . 1 2
 . 4 . | . 6 . | 8 9 .


With pencilmarks

Code: Select all
--------------------+----------------------+------------------|
 379    37    8     | 1356   2       159   | 135679  356  4   |
 1      6     2379  | 4      359     59    | 23579   8    57  |
 4      23    5     | 1368   1389    7     | 12369   236  16  |
--------------------+----------------------+------------------|
 6      378*  379   | 2      135879  1589* | 135     4    18^ |
 2389   1     239   | 358    3589    4     | 2356    7    68  |
 2378   5     4     | 1378   1378    6     | 123     23   9   |
--------------------+----------------------+------------------|
 2578   278*  1267  | 9      1578    1258* | 4       56   3   |
 578    9     67    | 578    4       3     | 567     1    2   |
 2357   4     1237  | 157    6       125   | 8       9    57  |
--------------------+----------------------+------------------|

X-Wing in 8 at R47C26 (see *), so R4C9=1(^)
Note: 5 in Box 6 in column 7 due to Naked {5, 7} Pair

Then basic steps will get you to:
Code: Select all
--------------------+--------------------+----------------|
 379    37    8     | 6     2      159   | 139   5    4   |
 1      6     239   | 4     359    59    | 239   8    7   |
 4      23    5     | 18    189    7     | 19    23   6   |
--------------------+--------------------+----------------|
 6      378*  379   | 2     379    89*   | 5     4    1   |
 239    1     239   | 35    359    4     | 6     7    8   |
 78     5     4     | 178   178    6     | 23    23   9   |
--------------------+--------------------+----------------|
 257    278*  127   | 9     157    1258* | 4     6    3   |
 58     9     6     | 58    4      3     | 7     1    2   |
 237    4     1237  | 17    6      12    | 8     9    5   |
--------------------+--------------------+----------------|


With the Naked {2, 3} Pair in Box 6 and Row 3, this leaves a Hidden Single. After this basic steps are needed to complete it.

If you can't understand this, let me know.:D

[edited to include missing clue and updated pencilmarks]
Last edited by Crazy Girl on Sun Jan 22, 2006 10:06 pm, edited 2 times in total.
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Postby Cec » Mon Jan 23, 2006 1:32 am

Crazy Girl wrote:"..Then basic steps will get you to"
Code: Select all
--------------------+--------------------+----------------|
 379    37    8     | 6     2      159   | 139   5    4   |
 1      6     239   | 4     359    59    | 239   8    7   |
 4      23    5     | 18    189    7     | 19    23   6   |
--------------------+--------------------+----------------|
 6      378*  379   | 2     379    89*   | 5     4    1   |
 239    1     239   | 35    359    4     | 6     7    8   |
 2378   5     4     | 178   178    6     | 23    23   9   |
--------------------+--------------------+----------------|
 257    278*  127   | 9     157    1258* | 4     6    3   |
 58     9     6     | 58    4      3     | 7     1    2   |
 237    4     1237  | 17    6      12    | 8     9    5   |
--------------------+--------------------+----------------|


With the Naked {2, 3} Pair in Box 6 and Row 3, this leaves a Hidden Single. After this basic steps are needed to complete it.

Hi Crazy Girl,

The naked pair [23] in box 6 will enable these same candidates to be excluded from other cells in this row leaving [78] in cell r6c1 but can't see how the other naked pair [23] in row 3 leads anywhere. I get to the following pencilmark grid with no further hints to proceed:
Code: Select all
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 3579   37     8      | 6      2      159    | 139    35     4      |
 | 1      6      2359   | 4      359    59     | 239    8      7      |
 | 4      23     2359   | 1358   13589  7      | 1239   235    6      |
 |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 6      378    379    | 2      379    89     | 5      4      1      |
 | 239    1      239    | 35     359    4      | 6      7      8      |
 | 78     5      4      | 178    178    6      | 23     23     9      |
 |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 257    278    1257   | 9      157    1258   | 4      6      3      |
 | 58     9      6      | 58     4      3      | 7      1      2      |
 | 237    4      1237   | 17     6      12     | 8      9      5      |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*

How did you place 5 in cell r1c8?

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Postby Crazy Girl » Mon Jan 23, 2006 2:03 am

cec,
I missed out an original clue in R3C3=5, so sorry there.

cecbevwr wrote:How did you place 5 in cell r1c8?

because of the 2,3 pair in column 8 (rows 3&6). this not helped by the fact that i missed a clue:!::!:

cecbevwr wrote:Hi Crazy Girl,

The naked pair [23] in box 6 will enable these same candidates to be excluded from other cells in this row leaving [78] in cell r6c1

I had done this on my paper copy but missed it in this post.

cecbevwr wrote:can't see how the other naked pair [23] in row 3 leads anywhere.

Look in Box 2 and see where 3 can go:idea:

Off to catch 20 winks now...
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Postby Cec » Mon Jan 23, 2006 4:45 am

Crazy Girl,
Thanks for clearing that up. Yes, I see where the 3 must go in Box 2.
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