Sudoku 59114 - ultimativ schwierig ( very hard )

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Sudoku 59114 - ultimativ schwierig ( very hard )

Postby NoClue » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:10 pm

Hi, all,

I tried to solve the following Sudoku:

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+-----+-----+-----+
|. . .|. . 1|. . .|
|. 6 .|. . .|. . 8|
|. . 4|. . 3|. 7 .|
+-----+-----+-----+
|. . 1|7 . .|. . .|
|. . .|. . .|5 . 2|
|. . 3|. . 4|. . .|
+-----+-----+-----+
|. . .|. . .|. 3 .|
|8 2 .|. . .|. . .|
|. 5 .|. 2 .|. . .|
+-----+-----+-----+


I stared almost 6 minutesat the Sudoku - but I found NO HIDDEN SINGLE

So I need a lot of help to solve this (extremely easySudoku) - thanks in advance
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Re: Sudoku 59114 - ultimativ schwierig ( very hard )

Postby JeJ » Fri Jun 10, 2011 7:15 pm

There is one at r9c1 and another at r7c7

There are also locked candidates on 7, 5 and 3.
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Re: Sudoku 59114 - ultimativ schwierig ( very hard )

Postby kifotv » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:00 am

You should try sticky tack/sticky notes/dry erase markers, or something like that, either on your screen (first two) or copy the puzzle down. But I usually spend the first 10 minutes or so on singles cascades, so 6 minutes not unrealistic...

Staring at a screen/piece of paper feeling like an idiot for 10 minutes is totally worth it for the "wow can't believe I missed that" moments :)
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Re: Sudoku 59114 - ultimativ schwierig ( very hard )

Postby NoClue » Sat Jun 11, 2011 6:48 am

Hi, kifotv,

I could understand it, if I had to stare only 5 seconds - and then I see that there are a bunch of hidden singles. But 6 minutes to stare on a Sudoku not to find anything is much too long time. Others solved 10 Sudokus like this one in that time. I am dealing with Sudoku since January 2007 - things like that may ABSOLUTELY never happen for me. The eyes have to fly over the Sudoku - and - within 10 seconds the first 20 hidden singles are found...
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Re: Sudoku 59114 - ultimativ schwierig ( very hard )

Postby NoClue » Sat Jun 11, 2011 7:48 am

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+---------+------------------+----------------+
|79. 3 5..|4689.. 46789.. 1..|469.. 2... 469..|
|179 6 2..|49.... 479.... 5..|3.... 19.. 8....|
|19. 8 4..|2..... 69..... 3..|169.. 7... 5....|
+---------+------------------+----------------+
|5.. 4 1..|7..... 68..... 2..|679.. 689. 3....|
|6.. 7 8..|13.... 13..... 9..|5.... 4... 2....|
|2.. 9 3..|568... 568.... 4..|7.... 168. 16...|
+---------+------------------+----------------+
|4.. 1 679|5689.. 56789.. 678|2.... 3... 679..|
|8.. 2 679|134569 1345679 67.|1469. 1569 14679|
|3.. 5 679|14689. 2...... 678|14689 1689 14679|
+---------+------------------+----------------+


The first hidden singles I found were: r9c1 = 3 and r7c7 = 2. After that I had to pencilmark the remaining 62 cells.
More than 2 hours I needed to get only 25 hidden singles totally. IT IS TOO MUCH TIME WASTED!!!
Normally I should solved this extremely easy Sudoku in LESS than 5 SECONDS!!!

I am sure that EVERY 6 months old CHILD could solve this Sudoku in LESS than 5 SECONDS!!!

So I have 39 cells with pencilmarks. They caused me (I hope ETERNAL and NEVERENDING!!! headaches!)

Any hints and tipps are apreciated!
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Re: Sudoku 59114 - ultimativ schwierig ( very hard )

Postby PIsaacson » Sat Jun 11, 2011 9:49 pm

NoClue,

Download Angus Johnson's Simple Sudoku from http://angusj.com/sudoku/

It will significantly help you in solving puzzles of this level. Based on your final PM grid, you missed a hidden 5 in r8c8 and a hidden 8 in r9c7 plus sundry locked candidates for digits 4/6/7/8. Applying those will expose a naked double <67> and then a naked double <59> in box 8. Applying that will expose a naked triple <134> in col 4. Applying that will set r2c4=9 and it's singles from there on.

Cheers,
Paul
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