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Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby Fortesque92 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 6:15 am

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Re: Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby Vorlauf » Mon Sep 13, 2021 2:55 pm

There are two finned x-wings on 4s.
The first is in c57, which allows a 1 to be placed in r1c6.
The second is a sashimi finned x-wing r37, which allows a 2 to be place in r8c9
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Re: Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby jco » Mon Sep 13, 2021 3:01 pm

Hi Fortesque92,

In this puzzle by inspecting the pattern for each digit, the pattern
of digit 4 satisfies Keith's trick.
For this digit you will find three single digit patterns that each
solves the puzzle (a skyscraper, a Kite, a double empty rectangle).
I have spotted also a nice W-wing (14) that solves it.
So, take a careful look at the fours.

Edit: corrected text.
Last edited by jco on Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:36 am, edited 2 times in total.
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Re: Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby Fortesque92 » Mon Sep 13, 2021 11:56 pm

Vorlauf wrote:There are two finned x-wings on 4s.
The first is in c57, which allows a 1 to be placed in r1c6.
The second is a sashimi finned x-wing r37, which allows a 2 to be place in r8c9


Thank you for your response, I'm still trying to wrap my head around Finned X-Wings. Could you please tell me all the cells where the 4's for the initial Finned X-Wing are located so I can visualise the first step easier?
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Re: Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby yzfwsf » Tue Sep 14, 2021 3:33 am

Sashimi X-Wing:4r37\c57 fr3c9 => r1c7<>4
Skyscraper : 4 in r3c9,r7c7 connected by r37c5 => r1c7,r8c9 <> 4
2-String Kite: 4 in r3c5,r7c7 connected by r1c7,r3c9 => r7c5 <> 4
Dual Empty Rectangle : 4 in b2 connected by r7,c7 => r1c7,r7c5,r8c9 <> 4
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Re: Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby Leren » Tue Sep 14, 2021 10:27 am

7963...8.4286.9..35138.296...5.6..9...9.8......192..4.9872.6..513.59867.65..378.9
Code: Select all
*-----------------------------------------------*
| 7   9   6  | 3    145 14   | 125-4 8     124  |
| 4   2   8  | 6    157 9    | 157   15    3    |
| 5   1   3  | 8   b47  2    | 9     6    a47   |
|------------+---------------+------------------|
| 238 47  5  | 147  6   134  | 1237  9     1278 |
| 23  467 9  | 147  8   1345 | 12357 1235  1267 |
| 38  67  1  | 9    2   35   | 357   4     678  |
|------------+---------------+------------------|
| 9   8   7  | 2   c14  6    |d134   13    5    |
| 1   3   24 | 5    9   8    | 6     7     2-4  |
| 6   5   24 | 14   3   7    | 8     12    9    |
*-----------------------------------------------*

It's Skyscraper time again - this time on 4.

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Re: Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby Vorlauf » Wed Sep 15, 2021 3:08 pm

Fortesque92 wrote:
Vorlauf wrote:There are two finned x-wings on 4s.
The first is in c57, which allows a 1 to be placed in r1c6.
The second is a sashimi finned x-wing r37, which allows a 2 to be place in r8c9


Thank you for your response, I'm still trying to wrap my head around Finned X-Wings. Could you please tell me all the cells where the 4's for the initial Finned X-Wing are located so I can visualise the first step easier?


Code: Select all
*-----------------------------------------------*
| 7   9   6  | 3   a145 1-4  |c1254  8     124  |
| 4   2   8  | 6    157 9    | 157   15    3    |
| 5   1   3  | 8   f47  2    | 9     6     47   |
|------------+---------------+------------------|
| 238 47  5  | 147  6   134  | 1237  9     1278 |
| 23  467 9  | 147  8   1345 | 12357 1235  1267 |
| 38  67  1  | 9    2   35   | 357   4     678  |
|------------+---------------+------------------|
| 9   8   7  | 2   b14  6    |d134   13    5    |
| 1   3   24 | 5    9   8    | 6     7     2    |
| 6   5   24 | 14   3   7    | 8     12    9    |
*-----------------------------------------------*


a,b,c,d,f denote cells of finned X-wing.
The fin is in r3c5. Candidate 4 may be removed from r1c6.
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Re: Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby Fortesque92 » Mon Sep 20, 2021 1:38 am

Leren wrote:7963...8.4286.9..35138.296...5.6..9...9.8......192..4.9872.6..513.59867.65..378.9
Code: Select all
*-----------------------------------------------*
| 7   9   6  | 3    145 14   | 125-4 8     124  |
| 4   2   8  | 6    157 9    | 157   15    3    |
| 5   1   3  | 8   b47  2    | 9     6    a47   |
|------------+---------------+------------------|
| 238 47  5  | 147  6   134  | 1237  9     1278 |
| 23  467 9  | 147  8   1345 | 12357 1235  1267 |
| 38  67  1  | 9    2   35   | 357   4     678  |
|------------+---------------+------------------|
| 9   8   7  | 2   c14  6    |d134   13    5    |
| 1   3   24 | 5    9   8    | 6     7     2-4  |
| 6   5   24 | 14   3   7    | 8     12    9    |
*-----------------------------------------------*

It's Skyscraper time again - this time on 4.

Leren


Man, spotting Skyscrapers is tough! The logic is so beautiful though. Just gotta keep practising!
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Re: Stuck on a puzzle 13/09

Postby thelardoffear » Tue Sep 21, 2021 12:30 am

Spotting Empty Rectangles is a lot easier than Skyscrapers and usually gives the same deductions (but not in this case).

From the diagram above, the 4 in row 3 is in either position a or b.

If b (r3c5) is 4 then c (r7c5) isn't 4.
If a (r3c9) is 4 then in box 9 d (r7c7) is 4 and so c isn't 4.

So c isn't 4 and the puzzle is then solved with singles.
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