Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

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Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby marek stefanik » Mon Oct 25, 2021 6:33 am

Code: Select all
+---------+---------+---------+
| 2  .  . | .  .  . | 4  .  . |
| .  8  . | .  5  . | .  7  . |
| .  .  . | 6  .  . | .  .  3 |
+---------+---------+---------+
| .  .  1 | .  7  . | .  .  . |
| .  7  . | 5  .  . | .  9  . |
| .  .  . | .  .  8 | .  .  . |
+---------+---------+---------+
| 4  .  . | .  .  . | .  .  2 |
| .  6  . | .  .  5 | .  8  . |
| .  .  3 | 9  .  . | 1  .  4 |
+---------+---------+---------+
2.....4...8..5..7....6....3..1.7.....7.5...9......8...4.......2.6...5.8...39..1.4

Inspired by a flashy elimination in some of the hardest puzzles.
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby totuan » Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:42 am

Code: Select all
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 2       1359    5679    | 1378    1389    1379    | 4       156     15689   |
 | 1369    8       469     | 1234    5       12349   | 269     7       169     |
 | 1579    1459    4579    | 6       12489   12479   | 2589    125     3       |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 35689   23459   1       | 234     7       23469   | 23568   23456   568     |
 | 368     7       2468    | 5       12346   12346   | 2368    9       168     |
 | 3569    23459   24569   | 1234    123469  8       | 23567   123456  1567    |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 4       159     5789    | 1378    1368    1367    | 35679   356     2       |
 | 179     6       279     | 12347   1234    5       | 379     8       79      |
 | 578     25      3       | 9       268     267     | 1       56      4       |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*

Can solve with one step based on (123)r8c1379 that cannot pairs (12) & (13) => pair (23), but presenting quite complex…
So solves by normal way :D about 4 steps:
01: SK loop
02: AUR(34)r46c28 => r8c3=2
03 & 04: Fish and stte

I’ll study more and post my path later.
Thanks for the puzzle!
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby shye » Mon Oct 25, 2021 12:30 pm

.
gave this my best go, ended up with many many steps... loads of cool deductions tho! ヽ(´▽`)/

no singles or basics to start

Code: Select all
             ~59~                                          ~56~
     .---------------------.----------------------.-----------------------.
     | 2     #1359   5679  | 1378   1389    1379  | 4      #156     5689-1|
~69~ |#1369   8     #469   | 1234   5       1234-9|#269     7      #169   |     
     | 579-1 #1459   579-4 | 6      12489   12479 | 589-2  #125     3     |     b1 ~134~
     :---------------------+----------------------+-----------------------:
     | 35689  234-59 1     | 234    7       23469 | 23568   234-56  568   |     b3 ~12~
     | 368    7      2468  | 5      12346   12346 | 2368    9       168   |
     | 3569   234-59 24569 | 1234   123469  8     | 23567   1234-56 1567  |     b7 ~12~
     :---------------------+----------------------+-----------------------:
     | 4     #159    5789  | 1378   1368    1367  | 5679-3 #356     2     |     b9 ~3~
~79~ |#179    6     #279   | 1234-7 1234    5     |#379     8      #79    |
     | 578   #25     3     | 9      268     267   | 1     #56       4     |
     '---------------------'----------------------'-----------------------'

SK loop
sixteen cells b1379p2468 sixteen links 134b1 12b37 3b9 69r2 79r8 59c2 56c8 all candidates covered
=> -1b1p7, -4b1p9, -1b3p3, -2b3p7, -3b9p1, -9r2c6, -7r8c4, -59r46c2, -56r46c8

Xsudo T&L: Show
16 Truths = {28N1 1379N2 28N3 28N7 1379N8 28N9}
16 Links = {6r2 7r8 9r28 5c28 6c8 9c2 1b137 2b37 3b19 4b1}

some tuples, then the next big deduction

Code: Select all
  /13         /24                            /23          /1
.-------------------.----------------------.-------------------.
| 2     1359  5679  | 78     1389    1379  | 4      156   5689 |
| 1369  8     69+4  | 123-4  5      T123-4 | 269    7     169  | ~1234~
| 579   1459  579   | 6      12489   12479 | 589    125   3    |
:-------------------+----------------------+-------------------:
| 5689  234   1     |B23-4   7       69    | 568    234   568  |
| 368   7     268-4 | 5      12346   12346 | 2368   9     168  | ~1234~
| 3569  234   2569-4|B123-4  12369-4 8     | 23567  1234  1567 |
:-------------------+----------------------+-------------------:
| 4     159   5789  | 78     1368    1367  | 5679   356   2    |
| 179   6     279   | 123+4 T123-4   5     | 379    8     79   | ~1234~
| 578   25    3     | 9      268     267   | 1      56    4    |
'-------------------'----------------------'-------------------'

junior exocet

1234 in r258
base set: r46c4 - target set: r2c6 & r8c5

4 is only part of one cover house in the cross lines, incompatible with bases and targets
=> -4r46c4, -4r2c6, -4r8c5
places 4 in row 8, then row 2, then locks it in row 5

Xsudo T&L: Show
14 Truths = {1234R2 1234R5 1234R8 46N4}
17 Links = {13c1 24c3 1234c4 23c7 1c9 8n5 2n6 1234b5}

further using the exocet:
Code: Select all
.------------------.-------------------.------------------.
| 2     1359  5679 | 78   89-13  1379  | 4      156  5689 |
| 1369  8     4    |#123  5     #123   | 269    7    169  |
| 579   159   579  | 6    489-12 12479 | 589    125  3    |
:------------------+-------------------+------------------:
| 5689  234   1    | 23   7      69    | 568    234  568  |
| 368   7     268  | 5    12346  12346 | 2368   9    168  |
| 3569  234   2569 | 123  12369  8     | 23567  1234 1567 |
:------------------+-------------------+------------------:
| 4     159   5789 | 78   1368   1367  | 5679   356  2    |
| 179   6     279  | 4   #123    5     | 379    8    79   |
| 578   25    3    | 9    268    267   | 1      56   4    |
'------------------'-------------------'------------------'

remote triple
transforming the triple in c4 with the base/target equivalence of the jexo
=> -13r1c5, -12r3c5

Code: Select all
.------------------.--------------------.--------------------.
| 2     1359  5679 |  78   1389   1379  | 4       156   5689 |
| 1369  8     4    |  23-1 5      123   | 269     7    *169  |
| 579   159   579  |  6    12489  12479 | 589     125   3    |
:------------------+--------------------+--------------------:
| 5689 e234   1    | e23   7      69    | 568    e234   568  |
| 368   7     268  |  5    12346  12346 | 2368    9    *168  |
| 3569 e234   2569 |*e123  2369-1 8     | 23567 *e1234 567-1|
:------------------+--------------------+--------------------:
| 4     159   5789 |  78   1368   1367  | 5679    356   2    |
| 179   6     279  |  4    123    5     | 379     8     79   |
| 578   25    3    |  9    268    267   | 1       56    4    |
'------------------'--------------------'--------------------'

extended UR with internals
234r46c248 guardians 1r6c48
=> -1r6c59

leads directly into a two-string kite in r6 & c9
=> -1r2c4
giving singles and a locked candidate

Code: Select all
.------------------.-----------------.------------------.
| 2    *1359  5679 | 78  89   *1379  | 4      156  5689 |
| 1369  8     4    | 23  5     123   | 269    7    69   |
| 579   159   579  | 6   489   12479 | 589    125  3    |
:------------------+-----------------+------------------:
| 5689 #234   1    | 23  7     69    | 568    234  568  |
| 368   7     268  | 5   2346  2346  | 2368   9    1    |
| 3569 #234   2569 | 1   2369  8     | 23567  234  567  |
:------------------+-----------------+------------------:
| 4     159   5789 |#78  1368 #367   | 5679   356  2    |
| 179   6     279  | 4   123   5     | 379    8    79   |
| 578   5-2   3    | 9  #268  #267   | 1      56   4    |
'------------------'-----------------'------------------'

ALS w-wing
(24=3)r46c2 - 3r1c2 = 3r1c6 - (3=6782)b8p1389
=> -2r9c2

Xsudo T&L: Show
6 Truths = {3R1 46N2 123B8}
7 Links = {2r9 234c2 3c6 78n5}

more singles and a naked pair in c2

Code: Select all
.----------------.-----------------.-------------------.
| 2     3   5679 | 78  89    179   | 4       15   5689 |
| 169   8   4    | 23  5     123   | 269     7    69   |
| 579   19  579  | 6   489   12479 | 589     125  3    |
:----------------+-----------------+-------------------:
| 5689 u24  1    | 23  7     69    | 568    u234  568  |
| 368   7   68   | 5   2346  2346  | 268-3   9    1    |
| 3569 u24  569  | 1   2369  8     | 2567-3 u234  567  |
:----------------+-----------------+-------------------:
| 4     19  789  | 78  1368  367   | 579     5-3  2    |
| 179   6   2    | 4   13    5     | 379     8    79   |
| 78    5   3    | 9   28    27    | 1       6    4    |
'----------------'-----------------'-------------------'

UR with internals
24r46c28 guardians 3r46c8
=> -3b6p47, -3r7c8 stte

im gonna go to bed now :lol:
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby DEFISE » Mon Oct 25, 2021 1:14 pm

With classic tools:

1)
S2-whip[8] : c8{r3n2 HP:r46n24}- c8n3{r6 r7}- r8{c7n3 NP:c79n79}- r8c3{n7 n2}- r5n2{c3 c56}- c4n2{r4 .} => -2r2c7
Block/line: 2r2b2 => -2r3c5 -2r3c6
2)
S2-whip[8]: c8n1{r1 r6}- c8n4{r6 r4}- c8n3{r4 r7}- r8{c7n3 HP:c45n34}- c4{r8n1 HP:r17n17}- c4n8{r1 .} => -1r2c9
Naked pairs: 69r2c79 => -6r2c1 -9r2c1 -6r2c3 -9r2c3 -9r2c6
Singles: 4r2c3, 6r1c3
Block/line: 7r1b2 => -7r3c6
Block/line: 9r2b3 => -9r1c9 -9r3c7
Block/line: 4r5b5 => -4r4c4 -4r4c6 -4r6c4 -4r6c5
Single: 4r8c4
Hidden pairs: 78c4r17 => -1r1c4 -3r1c4 -1r7c4 -3r7c4
3)
g-whip[5]: r8n1{c5 c1}- r2c1{n1 n3}- c4n3{r2 r46}- r5n3{c5 c7}- r8n3{c7 .} => -2r8c5
Singles: 2r8c3, 8r5c3, 5r9c2, 6r9c8, 8r9c1, 2r9c5, 7r9c6, 8r7c4, 7r1c4
Block/Line: 5r1b3 => -5r3c7 -5r3c8
Naked pairs: 19c2r37 => -1r1c2 -9r1c2 -9r4c2 -9r6c2
STTE
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby eleven » Mon Oct 25, 2021 4:39 pm

< oops, don't know, what grid i actually had, when my simple solver said, it's finished >
Last edited by eleven on Mon Oct 25, 2021 11:24 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby jovi_al01 » Mon Oct 25, 2021 9:21 pm

loads of steps for me but i had an absolute blast solving this! thank you for the puzzle!! :D

Code: Select all
.---------------------.----------------------.----------------------.
| 2     *1359   5679  | 1378   1389    1379  | 4     *156    5689-1 |
|*1369   8     *469   | 1234   5       12349 |*269    7      *169   |
| 579-1 *1459   579-4 | 6      12489   12479 | 589-2 *125     3     |
:---------------------+----------------------+----------------------:
| 35689  234-59 1     | 234    7       23469 | 23568  234-56  568   |
| 368    7      2468  | 5      12346   12346 | 2368   9       168   |
| 3569   234-59 24569 | 1234   123469  8     | 23567  1234-56 1567  |
:---------------------+----------------------+----------------------:
| 4     *159    5789  | 1378   1368    1367  |5679-3 *356     2     |
|*179    6     *279   | 1234-7 1234    5     |*379    8      *79    |
| 578   *25     3     | 9      268     267   | 1     *56      4     |
'---------------------'----------------------'----------------------'


SK Loop: 16 Cells r28c1379,r1379c28, 16 Links 69r2,79r8,59c2,56c8,134b1,12b3,12b7,3b9
15 Eliminations: r2c6<>9,r1c9<>1,r3c7<>2,r4c8<>56,r6c8<>56,r7c7<>3,r8c4<>7,r4c2<>59,r6c2<>59,r3c1<>1,r3c3<>4
After a naked triple and a hidden pair:

Code: Select all
.-------------------.---------------------.-------------------.
| 2     1359  5679  | 78    1389    1379  | 4      156   5689 |
|c1369 c8    c469   | 123-4 5      t123-4 |c269   c7    c69-1 |
| 579   1459  579   | 6     12489   12479 | 589    125   3    |
:-------------------+---------------------+-------------------:
| 5689  234   1     |b23-4  7       69    | 568    234   568  |
|c368  c7    c2468  | 5     12346   12346 |c2368  c9    c168  |
| 3569  234   24569 |b123-4 123469  8     | 23567  234-1 1567 |
:-------------------+---------------------+-------------------:
| 4     159   5789  | 78    1368    1367  | 5679   356   2    |
|c179  c6    c279   | 1234 t123-4   5     |c379   c8    c79   |
| 578   25    3     | 9     268     267   | 1      56    4    |
'-------------------'---------------------'-------------------'


Junior Exocet: Base Cells-r4c4,r6c4;Target Cells-r2c6,r8c5;Cross Cells-r258c123789
Base Candidates in only one cover house in cross-line: r4c4<>4,r6c4<>4,r2c6<>4,r8c5<>4
Compatibility Test: r2c9,r6c8<>1

After two singles:

Code: Select all
.------------------.-------------------.------------------.
| 2     1359  5679 | 78   89-13 1379  | 4      156  5689 |
|c1369 c8    c4    | 123  5     t123   |c269   c7   c69   |
| 579   159   579  | 6   489-12 12479 | 589    125  3    |
:------------------+-------------------+------------------:
| 5689  234   1    |b23   7      69    | 568    234  568  |
|c368  c7    c268  | 5    12346  12346 |c2368  c9   c168  |
| 3569  234   2569 |b1-23 12369  8     | 23567  234  1567 |
:------------------+-------------------+------------------:
| 4     159   5789 | 78   1368   1367  | 5679   356  2    |
|c179  c6    c279  | 4   t123    5     |c379   c8   c79   |
| 578   25    3    | 9    268    267   | 1      56   4    |
'------------------'-------------------'------------------'


Junior Exocet: Base Cells-r4c4,r6c4;Target Cells-r2c6,r8c5;Cross Cells-r258c123789
Check X-Rule (c28r46): r6c4<>2,r6c4<>3
Compatibility Test: r13c5<>1,r3c5<>2,r1c5<>3

After two singles and locked candidates:

Code: Select all
.------------------.-----------------.------------------.
| 2     3-159 a5679| a78 a89   a1379 | 4      a156 a5689|
| 1369  8     4    | 23  5     123   | 269    7    69   |
| 579   b159  579  | 6   489   12479 | 589    125  3    |
:------------------+-----------------+------------------:
| 5689  234   1    | 23  7     69    | 568    234  568  |
| 368   7     268  | 5   2346  2346  | 2368   9    1    |
| 3569  234   2569 | 1   2369  8     | 23567  234  567  |
:------------------+-----------------+------------------:
| 4     b159  5789 | c78 1368  c367  | 5679   356  2    |
| 179   6     279  | 4   123   5     | 379    8    79   |
| 578   b25   3    | 9   c268  c267  | 1      56   4    |
'------------------'-----------------'------------------'


Almost Locked Set XY-Wing: A=r1c345689{1356789}, B=r379c2{1259}, C=r7c46,r9c56{23678}, X,Y=3, 2, Z=159 => r1c2<>1 r1c2<>5 r1c2<>9

After more singles / basics:

Code: Select all
.----------------.-----------------.------------------.
| 2     3   5679 | 78  89    179   | 4      15   5689 |
| 169   8   4    | 23  5     123   | 269    7    69   |
| 579   19  579  | 6   489   12479 | 589    125  3    |
:----------------+-----------------+------------------:
| 5689 *24  1    | 23  7     69    | 568   *234  568  |
| 368   7   68   | 5   2346  2346  |268-3   9    1    |
| 3569 *24  569  | 1   2369  8     |2567-3 *234  567  |
:----------------+-----------------+------------------:
| 4     19  789  | 78  136   36    | 579   5-3   2    |
| 179   6   2    | 4   13    5     | 379    8    79   |
| 78    5   3    | 9   28    27    | 1      6    4    |
'----------------'-----------------'------------------'


UR Type 2: 24 in r46c28 => r56c7,r7c8<>3

stte! :D

(edit: fixed a typo)
(edit 2: surprised to see how similar mine and shye's approaches were :D)
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby totuan » Tue Oct 26, 2021 5:12 am

My path for this one – normal way :D
Code: Select all
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 2      #1359    5679    | 1378    1389    1379    | 4      #156     5689-1  |
 |#1369    8      #469     | 1234    5       1234-9  |#269     7      #169     |
 | 579-1  #1459    579-4   | 6       12489   12479   | 589-2  #125     3       |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 35689   234-59  1       | 234     7       23469   | 23568   234-56  568     |
 | 368     7       2468    | 5       12346   12346   | 2368    9       168     |
 | 3569    234-59  24569   | 1234    123469  8       | 23567   1234-56 1567    |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 4      #159     5789    | 1378    1368    1367    | 5679-3 #356     2       |
 |#179     6      #279     | 1234-7  1234    5       |#379     8      #79      |
 | 578    #25      3       | 9       268     267     | 1      #56      4       |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*

01: SK loop => r1c9<>1, r2c6<>9, r3c1<>1, r3c3<>4, r3c7<>2, r46c2<>59, r46c8<>56, r7c7<>3, r8c6<>7
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 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 2       1359    5679    | 78      1389    1379    | 4      *156     5689    |
 | 1369    8       469     | 1234    5       1234    | 269     7       169     |
 | 579     1459    579     | 6       12489   12479   | 589    *125     3       |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 5689   #234     1       | 234     7       69      | 568    #234     568     |
 | 368     7       2468    | 5       12346   12346   | 2368    9       168     |
 | 3569   #234     24569   | 1234    123469  8       | 23567  #1234    1567    |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 4       159     5789    | 78      1368    1367    | 5679   *356     2       |
 | 179     6      *279     | 1234    1234    5       |*379     8      *79      |
 | 578     5-2     3       | 9       268     267     | 1       56      4       |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*

02: UR(34)r46c28[(2)r46c2==(1|2)r46c8-(1|2=56)r13c8-(56=3)r7c8-(379=2)r8c379] => r9c2<>2, some singles
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 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 2       139     5679    | 78      1389    1379    | 4       15      5689    |
 |#1369    8       469     |#1234    5       1234    | 69-2    7       69-1    |
 | 579     149     579     | 6      &12489  &12479   | 589    %125     3       |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 5689    234     1       | 234     7       69      | 568     234     568     |
 | 368     7       468     | 5      #12346  #12346   |*2368    9      %168     |
 | 3569    234     4569    |*1234    123469  8       | 23567  &1234   &1567    |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 4       19      789     | 78      136     136     | 579     35      2       |
 |#179     6       2       |#134     134     5       | 379     8       79      |
 | 78      5       3       | 9      #28     #27      | 1       6       4       |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*

03: (2)r5c7=[X-wing: 2’s r59c56]-r3c56=r3c8 => r2c7<>2, r3c8=2
04: [X-wing: 1’s r28c14]=r6c4-r6c89=r5c9 => r2c9<>1, stte

As reference – without SK loop, a bit more complex :D
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 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 2      *1359    5679    | 1378    1389    1379    | 4      &156     15689   |
 |&1369    8      &469     | 1234    5       12349   |&269     7      &169     |
 | 1579   *1459    4579    | 6       12489   12479   | 2589   &125     3       |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 35689  #23459   1       | 234     7       23469   | 23568  #23456   568     |
 | 368     7       2468    | 5       12346   12346   | 2368    9       168     |
 | 3569   #23459   24569   | 1234    123469  8       | 23567  #123456  1567    |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 4       159     5789    | 1378    1368    1367    | 35679  *356     2       |
 |&179     6       79+2    | 12347   1234    5       |&379     8      &79      |
 | 578     25      3       | 9       268     267     | 1       56      4       |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*

01: Present as diagram: => r8c3=2
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AUR(34)r46c28     DP(69)r2c379
 ||                  ||
(4)r3c2-------------(4)r2c3
 ||                  ||
 ||                 (12)r2c79-(12=56)r13c8-(56=3)r7c8-(379=2)r8c379*
 ||                          |
 ||    DP(69)r2c179          |       
 ||       ||                 |
(3)r1c2--(3)r2c1             |
 ||       ||                 |
 ||      (12)r2c79-----------
 ||       ||
 ||      (1)r2c1-(179=2)r8c139*
 ||
(3)r7c8-(379=2)r8c3*

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 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 2       139     5679    | 1378    1389    1379    | 4      *15      15689   |
 | 1369    8       469     |*1234    5       12349   | 69-2    7       69-1    |
 | 1579    149     4579    | 6      &12489  &12479   |&2589   *125     3       |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 35689   2349    1       |#234     7       23469   | 23568   2345    568     |
 | 368     7       468     | 5      %12346  %12346   |@2368    9      *168     |
 | 3569    2349    4569    |#1234    123469  8       | 23567  *12345  *1567    |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 4       19      789     | 1378    1368    1367    | 3579   *35      2       |
 |*179     6       2       |#1347    134     5       |*379     8      *79      |
 | 78      5       3       | 9      %28     %27      | 1       6       4       |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*

02: (2)r5c7=[X-wing: 2’s r59c56]-r3c56=r3c78 => r2c7<>2
03: Present as diagram: => r2c9<>1, stte
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AALS(12347)r468c4
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(1)r6c4-r6c89=r5c9
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(17)r8c4-(179=3)r8c179-(35=1)r71c8*
 ||
(234)r468c4-(234=1)r2c4*


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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby marek stefanik » Tue Oct 26, 2021 8:23 pm

Great solves, everyone!

It was interesting to see the differences in the solution paths, as well as the similarities.
Unless I'm mistaken, every step in every solution path depends solely on the digits 1234 (although some of them use other digits in ALSs, their equivalent AHSs only contain 1234).

My intended path was to get the pair 2r8c3 and 3r8c7, which totuan called out immeadiately.
It was interesting to see solutions that got very close to it, even if no one actually found the same.

After the eliminations in the targets of the JE (–49r2c6, –4r8c5) and basics:
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.--------------------.--------------------.----------------------.
| 2      1359   5679 | 78   1389    1379  | 4      156     15689 |
| 1369   8      4    | 123  5       123   | 269    7       169   |
| 1579   159    579  | 6    12489   12479 | 2589   125     3     |
:--------------------+--------------------+----------------------:
| 35689  23459  1    | 23   7       23469 | 23568  23456   568   |
| 368    7      268  | 5    12346   12346 | 2368   9       168   |
| 3569   23459  2569 | 123  123469  8     | 23567  123456  1567  |
:--------------------+--------------------+----------------------:
| 4      159    5789 | 78   1368    1367  | 35679  356     2     |
| 179    6      279  | 4    123     5     | 379    8       79    |
| 578    25     3    | 9    268     267   | 1      56      4     |
'--------------------'--------------------'----------------------'

There is now a number of ways to get the desired pair, I will cover two of them.

As shye and jovi both pointed out, r2c46 and r8c5 form a triple.
We can combine it with a part of the SK loop and ask where the other 2 and 3 go in these rows.
2r8c3 and 3r2c1 are linked via c2: 2r8c3 – r9c2 = (24–3)r46c2 = r1c2 – 3r2c1,
3r2c1 and 2r2c7 are linked via r2c46
and 2r2c7 and 3r8c7 are linked via c8 (symmetrically to the first option)
Thus the only remaining option is 2r8c3 and 3r8c7.

There is also a POV that doesn't require the exocet anymore, but instead uses the possible URs in r46c28 (as many people did):
Let's first eliminate 1r2c9 (1c4b6\r26c9).
Now we can discuss where 123 go in r28.
There can be three of them in the middle stack and a 1 in c1.
What we're left with are the same candidates as in the other POV, also having to contain two true candidates.
We can link three pairs of them with each other, as we did before.
Now, remember that we haven't proven that they're different digits, so we have to check the options of two 2s and two 3s.
Luckily for us they would create URs in r46c28, also leaving us with the one true option.
It's also worth mentioning that these URs would break the exocet – we could have 1 as a base digit, but the other one would have nowhere to go in r6, every remaining option would collide either with the base or the cover-houses.

Finally, the elimination that inspired it. Have a look at the puzzle Kolk by eleven (11.9 SER) and see if you can eliminate 7r8c9. And yes, it is absolutely useless for the solve.
12.3.....4.....3....3.5......42..5......8...9.6...5.7...15..2......9..6......7..8

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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby jovi_al01 » Wed Oct 27, 2021 4:00 am

what a fascinating idea, marek! thank you so much for sharing this puzzle :)
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby totuan » Wed Oct 27, 2021 6:34 am

marek stefanik wrote:My intended path was to get the pair 2r8c3 and 3r8c7, which totuan called out immeadiately.
It was interesting to see solutions that got very close to it, even if no one actually found the same.
After the eliminations in the targets of the JE (–49r2c6, –4r8c5) and basics:
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.--------------------.--------------------.----------------------.
| 2      1359   5679 | 78   1389    1379  | 4      156     15689 |
| 1369   8      4    | 123  5       123   | 269    7       169   |
| 1579   159    579  | 6    12489   12479 | 2589   125     3     |
:--------------------+--------------------+----------------------:
| 35689  23459  1    | 23   7       23469 | 23568  23456   568   |
| 368    7      268  | 5    12346   12346 | 2368   9       168   |
| 3569   23459  2569 | 123  123469  8     | 23567  123456  1567  |
:--------------------+--------------------+----------------------:
| 4      159    5789 | 78   1368    1367  | 35679  356     2     |
| 179    6      279  | 4    123     5     | 379    8       79    |
| 578    25     3    | 9    268     267   | 1      56      4     |
'--------------------'--------------------'----------------------'

There is now a number of ways to get the desired pair, I will cover two of them.
As shye and jovi both pointed out, r2c46 and r8c5 form a triple.
We can combine it with a part of the SK loop and ask where the other 2 and 3 go in these rows.
2r8c3 and 3r2c1 are linked via c2: 2r8c3 – r9c2 = (24–3)r46c2 = r1c2 – 3r2c1,
3r2c1 and 2r2c7 are linked via r2c46
and 2r2c7 and 3r8c7 are linked via c8 (symmetrically to the first option)
Thus the only remaining option is 2r8c3 and 3r8c7.

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 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 2       1359    5679    | 78      1389    1379    | 4       156     15689   |
 |*1369    8       4       |*123     5      #123     |*269     7       169     |
 | 1579    159     579     | 6       12489   12479   | 2589    125     3       |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 35689   23459   1       |#23      7       23469   | 23568   23456   568     |
 | 368     7       268     | 5       12346   12346   | 2368    9       168     |
 | 3569    23459   2569    |#123     123469  8       | 23567   123456  1567    |
 |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
 | 4       159     5789    | 78      1368    1367    | 35679   356     2       |
 | 179     6      *279     | 4      #123     5       |*379     8       79      |
 | 578     25      3       | 9       268     267     | 1       56      4       |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*

Another view based on Exocet - in words:
First: at least one of (2)r8c3 and (3)r8c7 must be true by DP(2379)r379c8

- If r8c3<>2 => r8c5=2 => by Exocet: (r2c6<>2 AND r46c4=2) => r2c4<>2 => r2c7=2 => by ALS(12356)r1379c8 then r7c8=3 => r8c7<>3, no 3’s on R8
- The same reason if r8c7<>3 => no 2’s on R8
Conclusion: r8c37 must be (23).
The same way for original puzzle with a bit more complex :D
I’m thinking how to present above as diagram…

Thanks for your puzzle and sharing!
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby shye » Wed Oct 27, 2021 12:58 pm

just clicked for me! although to see it i found it easier to use SET, and a orientation argument:

Image

this is the state of the grid after the basic sk loop and jexo elims
pink and blue(+orange) cells contain the same set of digits in some order, the triple formed by the exocet accounts for the 1 and half of the 2s and 3s needing to appear in blue. the other 2 and 3 need to be placed in r46c28, but due to the locked 4 candidates at most one goes in each column. one of the ways of orientating them (green highlighted candidates in the image) will lead to two candidates being removed from the ALS in r2c46, so the other orientation must be true, which leads to a naked 1 in r8c5, and from there its singles!
glad i can appreciate the puzzle fully now, amazing idea and execution :D
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Re: Strawberry (9.1 skfr)

Postby marek stefanik » Wed Oct 27, 2021 3:07 pm

Thanks everyone, but I don't think I deserve that much credit for that.
I took the most common set-up among hard puzzles and asked what would happen if I locked the SK-loop like that and this amazing path just popped up.
It wasn't any difficult to get a puzzle, either. Before I moved the 9 out of b5 to make the SK-loop not required, I could get 9.5s by placing digits at random. :)
(all sharing this solution path)

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