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Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby SteveG48 » Fri Mar 01, 2019 3:40 pm

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 |...|..5|6.4|
 |.4.|.3.|..8|
 |9..|8..|.12|
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 |.9.|...|...|
 |65.|...|.21|
 |...|.5.|.9.|
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 |51.|..6|..9|
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 |7.6|4..|...|
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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby SpAce » Fri Mar 01, 2019 4:36 pm

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.---------------------.--------------.-------------------.
| 28+  c37    28+     | 9    1   5   | 6     c37     4   |
| 1     4     57      | 6    3   2   | 9      57     8   |
| 9     6     35      | 8    47  47  | 35     1      2   |
:---------------------+--------------+-------------------:
| 28+   9  a+(3)7-128 | 12+  6   378 | 3578   4      5-3 |
| 6     5     378     | 37   49  49  | 378    2      1   |
| 4    b37    12+     | 12+  5   378 | 378    9      6   |
:---------------------+--------------+-------------------:
| 5     1     4       | 37   78  6   | 2     d38     9   |
| 3     8     9       | 5    2   1   | 4      6      7   |
| 7     2     6       | 4    89  39  | 1     d358  d(3)5 |
'---------------------'--------------'-------------------''

MUG(128)r146c134 +2

(3==7)r4c3 - (7=3)r6c2 - r1c[2=8] - (3)b9p[28=9] => -128 r4c3, -3 r4c9; stte

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.--------------------.--------------.-------------------.
| 28+  37    28+     | 9    1   5   | 6      37     4   |
| 1    4    a57      | 6    3   2   | 9     b57     8   |
| 9    6     35      | 8    47  47  | 35     1      2   |
:--------------------+--------------+-------------------:
| 28+  9  a+(3)7-128 | 12+  6   378 | 3578   4      5-3 |
| 6    5     378     | 37   49  49  | 378    2      1   |
| 4    37    12+     | 12+  5   378 | 378    9      6   |
:--------------------+--------------+-------------------:
| 5    1     4       | 37   78  6   | 2      38     9   |
| 3    8     9       | 5    2   1   | 4      6      7   |
| 7    2     6       | 4    89  39  | 1     c358  c(3)5 |
'--------------------'--------------'-------------------'

MUG(128)r146c134 +2

(3==7,5)r42c3 - r2c8 = (5,3)r9c89 => -128 r4c3, -3 r4c9; stte
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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby SpAce » Sat Mar 02, 2019 4:44 pm

No one else seems to be participating, so here's an uglier version of that same elimination -- with some very questionable notation, of course :D

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.----------------.-----------------.----------------------.
| 28  b37  28    |   9   1     5   |    6     b37     4   |
| 1    4   57    |   6   3     2   |    9      57     8   |
| 9    6   35    |   8   47    47  |    35     1      2   |
:----------------+-----------------+----------------------:
| 28   9   12378 |   12  6     378 |    3578   4      5-3 |
| 6    5   378   | ed37  49    49  |  e(3)78   2      1   |
| 4   c37  12    |   12  5   dc378 | ec(@3)78  9      6   |
:----------------+-----------------+----------------------:
| 5    1   4     |   37  78    6   |    2     a38     9   |
| 3    8   9     |   5   2     1   |    4      6      7   |
| 7    2   6     |   4   89    39  |    1     a358  a(3)5 |
'----------------'-----------------'----------------------'

(3)b9p[9=28] - r1c[8=2] - r6c[2=@7|6] - 3r5c4|8r6c6 = (7,8,3)r5c4,r65c7 => -3 r4c9; stte
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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby blue » Sat Mar 02, 2019 9:41 pm

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+---------------+---------------+-----------------+
| 28  37  28    | 9   1   5     |  6     37   4   |
| 1   4   57    | 6   3   2     |  9     57   8   |
| 9   6  *35    | 8   47  47    | *35    1    2   |
+---------------+---------------+-----------------+
| 28  9  g12378 | 12  6   378   | g3578  4    5-3 |
| 6   5  *37(8) | 37  49  49    | g37(8) 2    1   |
| 4  *37  12    | 12  5  g37(8) | *37(8) 9    6   |
+---------------+---------------+-----------------+
| 5   1   4     | 37  78  6     |  2     38   9   |
| 3   8   9     | 5   2   1     |  4     6    7   |
| 7   2   6     | 4   89  39    |  1     358  35  |
+---------------+---------------+-----------------+

Another one for "-3r4c9; stte" ...

Five-sided oddagon in 3's, with four guardians (g), three of which see 3r4c9.
For the fourth:
    (3-8)r6c6 = r6c7 - r5c7 = (8-3)r5c3 = (finned x-wing <3>c37\r34) - 3r4c9
Related:
    (finned franken-swordfish 3c37b5\r345) = (3-8)r6c6 = r6c7 - r5c7 = (8-3)r5c3 = (finned x-wing <3>c37\r34)
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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby SpAce » Sun Mar 03, 2019 12:16 am

blue wrote:Five-sided oddagon in 3's, with four guardians (g), three of which see 3r4c9.
For the fourth:
    (3-8)r6c6 = r6c7 - r5c7 = (8-3)r5c3 = (finned x-wing <3>c37\r34) - 3r4c9
Related:
    (finned franken-swordfish 3c37b5\r345) = (3-8)r6c6 = r6c7 - r5c7 = (8-3)r5c3 = (finned x-wing <3>c37\r34)

Awesome! These kinds of solutions are truly inspiring and educational! Not to mention that they're healthy reminders of one's own limits -- no chance of spotting such things any time soon.

Just to make sure I understood them, here's my attempt at rewriting them with minimal text:

(3)r4c3,r45c7 =ODGN= (3-8)r6c6 = r[6-5]c7 = (8-3)r5c3 = 3:c37\r34b6 => -3 r4c9; stte

3:c37b5\r345b6 = (3-8)r6c6 = r[6-5]c7 = (8-3)r5c3 = 3:c37\r34b6 => -3 r4c9; stte

Are they somewhat acceptable shorthands? Not really sure of the best way to mark the fish digit, though, so that's just one experiment. (3) might be too easy to get confused with normal nodes, [3] would be too overloaded, <3> seems somehow too dominant for me (or maybe my eye just isn't used to it), and plain 3 is poorly readable. Thus 3: for now.
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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby SteveG48 » Sun Mar 03, 2019 1:27 am

OK, so I'll add another ugly one:

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 *---------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 28     7-3    28     | 9      1      5      | 6     a37     4      |
 | 1      4      57     | 6      3      2      | 9      57     8      |
 | 9      6      35     | 8      47     47     |b35     1      2      |
 *----------------------+----------------------+-----------------------|
 | 28     9     e12378  | 12     6      378    | c3578   4     d35     |
 | 6      5     e378    |d37     49     49     |cd378    2      1      |
 | 4   abf37     12     | 12     5      378    |cd378    9      6      |
 *----------------------+----------------------+-----------------------|
 | 5      1      4      | 37     78     6      |  2      38     9      |
 | 3      8      9      | 5      2      1      |  4      6      7      |
 | 7      2      6      | 4      89     39     |  1      358    35     |
 *---------------------------------------------------------------------*


3r1c8,r6c2 = (37)r3c7,r6c2 - 3r456c7|7r6c7 = (3r4c9)&(8r6c7)&((37)r5c47) - 3r45c3 = 3r6c2 => -3 r2c2 ; stte
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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby Cenoman » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:54 am

Competing for the ugliness award:
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 +--------------------+------------------+--------------------+
 |  28 Gd37   28      |  9    1    5     |  6      37    4    |
 |  1    4    57      |  6    3    2     |  9      57    8    |
 |  9    6  Gc35      |  8    47   47    |Fb35     1     2    |
 +--------------------+------------------+--------------------+
 |  28   9   D12378   |  12   6   C378   | E3578   4     35   |
 |  6    5    378     |  37   49   49    |  378    2     1    |
 |  4    3-7  12      |  12   5   B378   |Aa378z   9     6    |
 +--------------------+------------------+--------------------+
 |  5    1    4       |  37   78   6     |  2      38    9    |
 |  3    8    9       |  5    2    1     |  4      6     7    |
 |  7    2    6       |  4    89   39    |  1      358   35   |
 +--------------------+------------------+--------------------+
Double kraken cell (378)r6c7 & row (7)r4c367
(3)r6c7 - r3c7 = r3c3 - (3=7)r1c2                       a, b, c, d
(7)r6c7                                                 z
(8)r6c7 - r6c6 = (8-7)r4c6                              A, B, C
                      ||
                     (7)r4c3                            D
                      ||
                     (7-5)r4c7 = r3c7 - (53=7)b1p29     E, F, G
=> -7 r6c2; ste


Just to be aware ot the challenge uselessness, a so simple 2-step solution:
1. MUG (28)r14c13, (12)r46c34 => -128 r4c3; 7 placements
2. Finned X-wing (3)r4c3 = r3c3 - r3c7 = r456c7 => -3 r4c9; ste

Note: this side remark should not cause lines and lines of comments. The 1-step MUG was the solution to find first... ;)
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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby blue » Sun Mar 03, 2019 4:08 pm

SpAce wrote:Just to make sure I understood them, here's my attempt at rewriting them with minimal text:

(3)r4c3,r45c7 =ODGN= (3-8)r6c6 = r[6-5]c7 = (8-3)r5c3 = 3:c37\r34b6 => -3 r4c9; stte

3:c37b5\r345b6 = (3-8)r6c6 = r[6-5]c7 = (8-3)r5c3 = 3:c37\r34b6 => -3 r4c9; stte

Are they somewhat acceptable shorthands? Not really sure of the best way to mark the fish digit, though, so that's just one experiment. (3) might be too easy to get confused with normal nodes, [3] would be too overloaded, <3> seems somehow too dominant for me (or maybe my eye just isn't used to it), and plain 3 is poorly readable. Thus 3: for now.

They work for me !
The Obi-Wahn representation for the fish, is nice !

I agree with everything you said about marking the fish digit.
I see that I forgot to mark it in the swordfish ... nicely illustrating that "plain 3 is poorly readable".
The 3: seems like it's smack in the middle of the "Goldilocks zone".

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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby Ngisa » Sun Mar 03, 2019 5:42 pm

Two Steps
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+---------------------+-----------------+--------------------+
| 28    b37    2378   | 9     1     5   | 6       a37     4  |
| 1      4     57     | 6     3     2   | 9        57     8  |
| 9      6   c(3)5    | 8     47    47  | b35      1      2  |
+---------------------+-----------------+--------------------+
| 28    9    e12(3)78 | 12    6     378 | c3578     4    d35 |
| 6     5     f378    |g37    49    49  | c378     2      1  |
| 4   c(3)7    12     | 12    5     378 | c378     9      6  |
+---------------------+-----------------+--------------------+
| 5     1      4      |h37    78    6   | 2        8-3    9  |
| 3     8      9      | 5     2     1   | 4        6      7  |
| 7     2      6      | 4     89    39  | 1        358    35 |
+---------------------+-----------------+--------------------+

1): A net
(3)r1c8 = (r1c2|r3c7) - (r6c2|r3c3)|r456c7) = r4c9 - r4c3 = r5c3 - r5c4 = r7c4 => - 3r7c8
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+---------------------+-----------------+---------------------+
| 28    a37     28    | 9      1     5  | 6        3-7     4  |
| 1      4      57    | 6      3     2  | 9       f57      8  |
| 9      6      35    | 8      4     7  |e35       1       2  |
+---------------------+-----------------+---------------------+
| 28     9      12378 | 12     6     38 |d3578     4       35 |
| 6      5      38    | 7      9     4  | 38       2       1  |
| 4     b37     12    | 12     5     38 |c378      9       6  |
+---------------------+-----------------+---------------------+
| 5      1      4     | 3      7     6  | 2        8       9  |
| 3      8      9     | 5      2     1  | 4        6       7  |
| 7      2      6     | 4      8     9  | 1        35      35 |
+---------------------+-----------------+---------------------+

2): (7)r1c2 = r6c2 - r6c7 = (7-5)r4c7 = r3c7 - (5=7)r2c8 => - 7r1c8; stte

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Re: Steve Stumble XXVI

Postby SpAce » Sun Mar 03, 2019 9:14 pm

blue wrote:They work for me !
The Obi-Wahn representation for the fish, is nice !

I agree with everything you said about marking the fish digit.
I see that I forgot to mark it in the swordfish ... nicely illustrating that "plain 3 is poorly readable".
The 3: seems like it's smack in the middle of the "Goldilocks zone".

Thanks, blue! I value your judgment and appreciate your comments! I'll keep the 3: then. Btw, I love the "Goldilocks zone" reference even though these aren't even "alien fishes" (which is what I jokingly call the full 3D sets\linksets with cells as well) :D
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