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Puzzle 169

Postby P.O. » Fri Feb 23, 2024 6:28 pm

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.  .  3  .  1  .  5  .  .
.  2  .  7  .  6  .  4  .
.  .  1  .  .  .  8  .  .
.  6  .  .  .  .  .  2  .
.  .  9  .  .  .  3  .  .
.  9  .  4  .  2  .  8  .
.  .  7  .  5  .  1  .  .
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...........3.1.5...2.7.6.4...1...8...6.....2...9...3...9.4.2.8...7.5.1...........

after singles:
479    1      6      589    489    4589   2      3      78             
479    47     3      2      1      489    5      67     678             
5      2      8      7      3      6      9      4      1               
237    357    1      3569   2469   34579  8      56     4569           
38     6      4      13589  89     13589  7      2      59             
278    578    9      568    2468   4578   3      1      456             
1      9      5      4      7      2      6      8      3               
3468   348    7      368    5      38     1      9      2               
368    38     2      13689  689    1389   4      57     57       
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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby eleven » Fri Feb 23, 2024 9:39 pm

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 *--------------------------------------------------------------*
 |  479    1     6  |  589     489    4589    |  2  3    78     |
 |  479    4-7   3  |  2       1      489     |  5 *67   678    |
 |  5      2     8  |  7       3      6       |  9  4    1      |
 |------------------+-------------------------+-----------------|
 |  237   *57+3  1  |  3569    2469   34579   |  8 *56   4569   |
 | a38     6     4  |  13589  a89     13589   |  7  2   a59     |
 |  278    578   9  |  568     2468   4578    |  3  1    456    |
 |------------------+-------------------------+-----------------|
 |  1      9     5  |  4       7      2       |  6  8    3      |
 |  3468   348   7  |  368     5      38      |  1  9    2      |
 |  368    38    2  |  13689   689    1389    |  4  57   57     |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------*

Almost xy-wing (*) (-> -7r2c2)
[(7=6)r2c8 - (6=5)r4c8 - (5=7)r4c2] = 3r4c2 - (3=895)r5c159 - (5=7)4r42c8 => -7r2c2
[Edited typo and missing cell - thx Cenoman]

Some singles, pairs
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+----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| 79     1      6      | 589    4      589    | 2      3      78     |
| 79     4      3      | 2      1      89     | 5      67     678    |
| 5      2      8      | 7      3      6      | 9      4      1      |
+----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| 23     57     1      | 359    26     47     | 8      56     4569   |
| 38     6      4      | 13589 *89     13589  | 7      2     *59     |
| 28     57     9      |*58     26     47     | 3      1      46-5   |
+----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
| 1      9      5      | 4      7      2      | 6      8      3      |
| 4      38     7      | 6      5      38     | 1      9      2      |
| 6      38     2      | 1389   89     1389   | 4      57     57     |
+----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+

xy-wing 895 => -5r6c9, stte
Last edited by eleven on Sat Mar 02, 2024 2:53 pm, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby yzfwsf » Fri Feb 23, 2024 11:55 pm

Braid[8]: => r4c8<>5; stte
5r4c8 - r5c9{n5=n9} - 5b4{r4c2=r6c2} - r5c5{n9=n8} - r5c1{n8=n3} - r6c4{n8=n6} - 6b8{r8c4=r9c5} - r9c1{n6=n8} - 8r6{r6c1=.}
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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby SteveG48 » Sun Feb 25, 2024 1:27 am

Code: Select all
 *---------------------------------------------------------------------*
 |  479    1      6      | 589    489    4589   | 2      3      78     |
 |  479   e47     3      | 2      1      489    | 5      67     678    |
 |  5      2      8      | 7      3      6      | 9      4      1      |
 *-----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 |  237   e357    1      | 3569   2469   34579  | 8     a6-5    4569   |
 |be38     6      4      |c13589 b89    c13589  | 7      2     b59     |
 |  278    578    9      |c568    2468   4578   | 3      1      456    |
 *-----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 |  1      9      5      | 4      7      2      | 6      8      3      |
 |  3468  d348    7      |d368    5     d38     | 1      9      2      |
 |  368    38     2      | 13689  689    1389   | 4      57     57     |
 *---------------------------------------------------------------------*


(6=5)r4c8 - (5=3*89)r5c159 - (3|8|9=156)b5p467 - (6=384)r8c246 - (4|*3=75)r24c2 => -5 r4c8 ; ste
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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby Cenoman » Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:34 am

Code: Select all
 +--------------------+-------------------------+-------------------+
 |  479    1     6    |  589     489    4589    |  2    3    78     |
 |  479    47    3    |  2       1      489     |  5    67   678    |
 |  5      2     8    |  7       3      6       |  9    4    1      |
 +--------------------+-------------------------+-------------------+
 |  237  zE357   1    |  3569    2469   34579   |  8    6-5  4569   |
 |Ba38*    6     4    |  13589  b89     13589   |  7    2   b59     |
 | A278  yD578   9    |CB568*    2468   4578    |  3    1    456    |
 +--------------------+-------------------------+-------------------+
 |  1      9     5    |  4       7      2       |  6    8    3      |
 | B3468*  348   7    | B368*    5      38      |  1    9    2      |
 | B368*   38    2    |  13689   689    1389    |  4    57   57     |
 +--------------------+-------------------------+-------------------+

Kraken box (8)b4p478 & cell (568)r6c4
(8)r5c1 - (8=95)r5c59
(8)r6c1 - [(8=36)r59c1 - r8c1 = r8c4 - (6=8)r6c4] = (5)r6c4 - r6c2 = r4c2
(8-5)r6c2 = (5)r4c2
=> -5 r4c8; ste

Single line writing of the same:
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[(5=98)r5c59 - r5c1 =' (8-5)r6c2 = (5)r4c2] '= (8)r6c1 - [(8=36)r59c1 - r8c1 = r8c4 - (6=8)r6c4] = (5)r6c4 - r6c2 = (5)r4c2 => -5 r4c8; ste


Added:
SteveG48 wrote:(6=5)r4c8 - (5=3*89)r5c159 - (3|8|9=156)b5p467 - (6=384)r8c246 - (4|*3=75)r24c2 => -5 r4c8 ; ste
Very nice ! Your triply linked AAALS-ALS is a great finding.
Note, it can be shortened to: (5=3*89)r5c159 - (3|8|9=156)b5p467 - (6=384)r8c246 - (4|*3=75)r24c2 => -5 r4c8 ; ste
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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby P.O. » Sun Feb 25, 2024 7:01 pm

my solution is the same as Cenoman's:
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b4n8p478 => r4c8 <> 5
 r6c2=8 - c2n5{r6 r4}
 r5c1=8 - r5c5{n8 n9} - r5c9{n9 n5}
 r6c1=8 - r5c1{n8 n3} - r9c1{n38 n6} - r8n6{c1 c4} - r6c4{n68 n5} - r5n5{c46 c9}

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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby SteveG48 » Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:59 pm

Cenoman wrote:Added:
SteveG48 wrote:(6=5)r4c8 - (5=3*89)r5c159 - (3|8|9=156)b5p467 - (6=384)r8c246 - (4|*3=75)r24c2 => -5 r4c8 ; ste
Very nice ! Your triply linked AAALS-ALS is a great finding.
Note, it can be shortened to: (5=3*89)r5c159 - (3|8|9=156)b5p467 - (6=384)r8c246 - (4|*3=75)r24c2 => -5 r4c8 ; ste


Thanks.

After looking back, I wondered if anyone would noticed that the first term was unnecessary. I had already fixed three typos by then (bad day).

I also considered writing it (5=389)r5c159 - (3|8|9=156)b5p467 - (6|5)r5c9,r8c4 = (384)r8c246&(893)r5c159 - (4|3=75)r24c2 => -5 r4c8 ; ste to eliminate the memory star (hate those things), but decided it made it more complicated to read. Your thoughts on that?
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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby Cenoman » Tue Feb 27, 2024 10:13 pm

SteveG48 wrote:I also considered writing it (5=389)r5c159 - (3|8|9=156)b5p467 - (6|5)r5c9,r8c4 = (384)r8c246&(893)r5c159 - (4|3=75)r24c2 => -5 r4c8 ; ste to eliminate the memory star (hate those things), but decided it made it more complicated to read. Your thoughts on that?

I have no strong views on notations and writing puzzle solutions. The important is substance.
A point that I share with you is to avoid as much as possible memory chains. But I had no problem to read your solution, in its first version. As you, I prefer it to the second, for its better legibility.
I'd write your logic as a kraken (the reason why I found it nice, simple kraken vs double kraken for P.O.'s and mine):

Kraken cell (357)r4c2
5r4c2
3r4c2 - (389=5)r5c159
7r4c2 - (7=4)r2c2 - (4=386)r8c246 - (615=3|8|9)b5p467 - (389=5)r5c159
=> -5 r4c8

Besides the memory chain, it could be written in line, as an almost ALS-XZ:
[(5=893)r5c159 - (3=5)r4c2] = (7)r4c2 - (7=4)r2c2 - (4=386)r8c246 - (615=3|8|9)b5p467 - (389=5)r5c159=> -5 r4c8

The square brackets '[...]' vs the memory star or vs the symbols '|','&',','
Everyone may have its own preferences and optimisation criteria.
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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby totuan » Wed Feb 28, 2024 9:49 am

Code: Select all
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 479    1      6      |  589      489    4589   | 2      3      78     |
 | 479  *d47     3      |  2        1      489    | 5    Ac67     678    |
 | 5      2      8      |  7        3      6      | 9      4      1      |
 |----------------------+-------------------------+----------------------|
 | 237  Ac57+3   1      |  3569     2469   34579  | 8    Ac56     4569   |
 |b38     6      4      |#a1389-5 Bh89    #a1389-5| 7      2    Bh59     |
 | 278    578    9      |Bh58+6     2468   4578   | 3      1      456    |
 |----------------------+-------------------------+----------------------|
 | 1      9      5      |  4        7      2      | 6      8      3      |
 |f3468  e348    7      | g368      5      38     | 1      9      2      |
 | 368    38     2      |  13689    689    1389   | 4      57     57     |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------------------*

Another view for this one: combination eleven’s solution in one :D
Look at:
- If r4c2<>3 => XY-wing A marked cells: (567)r4c2,r24c8 => r2c2<>7, * marked cell
- If r6c4<>6 => XY-wing B marked cells: (589)r6c4,r5c59 => r5c46<>5, # marked cells

(13)r5c46=(3)r5c1-(3)r4c2=[XY-wing A: (567)r4c2,r24c8]-(7=4)r2c2-r8c2=(4-6)r8c1=r8c4-(6)r6c4=[XY-wing B: (589)r6c4,r5c59] => r5c46<>5, stte

Thanks for the puzzle!
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Re: Puzzle 169

Postby Maxito_Bahiense » Wed Feb 28, 2024 1:52 pm

eleven wrote:xy-wing 895 => -5r6c9, stte

Hi! New to the forum here. Does stte stand for "singles to the end?"
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