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by **TTHsieh** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:20 pm

::: comment :::

Code: Select all: . . 1 | 2 3 . | . . . . . 4 | . . . | . . . . . 5 | . . . | 1 6 2 - - - + - - - + - - - . . . | . 2 . | . . 3 3 . . | 7 4 8 | . . 9 6 . . | . 9 . | . . . - - - + - - - + - - - 7 9 3 | . . . | 8 . . . . . | . . . | 3 . . . . . | . 6 4 | 2 . . ER=6.8999999999999995

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . . | . . 2 . 3 . | 4 . . | . 5 . . . 2 | . . . | 6 . . - - - + - - - + - - - . 6 . | . 7 . | . . . . . . | 8 1 3 | . . . . . . | . 2 . | . 4 . - - - + - - - + - - - . . 8 | . . . | 1 . . . 4 . | . . 5 | . 9 . 3 . . | . . . | . . 8 ER=6.8999999999999995

Code: Select all: 1 . . | . . . | . . . . 2 . | 3 4 5 | . . . . . 6 | . . . | 4 . . - - - + - - - + - - - . 3 . | 1 . . | . 7 . . 4 . | . 8 . | . 2 . . 7 . | . . 9 | . 6 . - - - + - - - + - - - . . 7 | . . . | 5 . . . . . | 2 1 7 | . 8 . . . . | . . . | . . 2 ER=6.8999999999999995

001230000004000000005000162000020003300748009600090000793000800000000300000064200
100000002030400050002000600060070000000813000000020040008000100040005090300000008
100000000020345000006000400030100070040080020070009060007000500000217080000000002

TTHsieh

by **TTHsieh** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 6:35 pm

::: comment :::

Code: Select all: . . . | . . . | . . . . . 1 | 2 3 4 | 5 . . . 3 . | 6 . 1 | . 7 . - - - + - - - + - - - . 7 3 | . . . | 1 4 . . 4 . | . . . | . 5 . . 1 8 | . . . | 2 6 . - - - + - - - + - - - . 2 . | 3 . 6 | . 1 . . . 9 | 5 4 2 | 7 . . . . . | . . . | . . . ER=4.699999999999999

000000000001234500030601070073000140040000050018000260020306010009542700000000000

TTHsieh

by **g.r.emlin** » Sat Dec 22, 2007 9:49 pm

::: game 0004 idle -- with no further entries the game will close at 2007-12-22+23:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0004 2007-12-20+23:23:00-0000 duration 23h12m dealer JPF index 300 (open) 5 players 1.2 1.5 1.7 2.0 2.3 2.5 2.6 2.8 3.0 3.2 3.4 3.6 3.8 4.0 4.2 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 5.0 5.2 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.9 6.0 6.2 6.5 6.6 6.69 6.7 6.8 6.89 6.9 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.6 7.7 7.8 7.9 8.0 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 8.6 8.7 8.8 8.9 9.0 9.1 submitter entries score response notes --------- ------- ----- -------- ----- Ruud 5 39 5m59s tarek 3 55 1m29s gsf 4 237 59.00s last-entry,highest-rating,dup-rating JPF 22 568 7m17s dealer TTHsieh 21 631 8m27s consecutive-entry --------- ------- 5 55

by **g.r.emlin** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 12:17 am

::: game 0004 closed (idle for 1d00h) -- preliminary results :::

Code: Select all: game 0004 2007-12-20+23:23:00-0000 duration 23h12m dealer JPF index 300 (idle) 5 players 1.2 1.5 1.7 2.0 2.3 2.5 2.6 2.8 3.0 3.2 3.4 3.6 3.8 4.0 4.2 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 5.0 5.2 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.9 6.0 6.2 6.5 6.6 6.69 6.7 6.8 6.89 6.9 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.6 7.7 7.8 7.9 8.0 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 8.6 8.7 8.8 8.9 9.0 9.1 submitter entries score response notes --------- ------- ----- -------- ----- Ruud 5 39 5m59s tarek 3 55 1m29s gsf 4 237 59.00s last-entry,highest-rating,dup-rating JPF 22 568 7m17s dealer TTHsieh 21 631 8m27s consecutive-entry --------- ------- 5 55

by **Eioru** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 1:03 am

How do these rating become? ( .9999? )

Code: Select all: UR3 (with Hidden Pair) 4.5 53672..8.279.83.6...85963727916328546248..793853947126....78.3..8.36..173.7..9.48 (with Naked Pair) 4.6 .12...4.64..6.27.86.8.4.2.9.6.5.48.1.2..6.5.7.8.9.76.3246.7.9858912563743..4..162 (with Naked Triplet) 4.7 172...3.8.46...1523.5...6.7..7.31......572......64.7..7.8...269564...8132.9...574 UL1 4.6 37..1..4685496.12....4.....49.256.1.5.......4.8..49.5..........12.6.4.8.7...3...1 4.7 ..72..4.35......8...9..8..6.5.6..8....3......7..1.2..91...4.6.72....1....749...1. 5.0 ...4..87......3..2....685.4........7.25.4.9.8.8.......7...8...3.94.16....3.9...4. UL2 5.0 2..4...3.......56...6...1..4...6...1...58.2.......38.5.48.79...53..........8.2... UL3 (with Hidden Pair) 4.7 .6.....4..9.2.4..6..4..978.......89.4..3.8..2.58.......871..4..1..9.6.2..2.....1. (with Hidden Triplet) 4.7 ...........12345...3.6.1.7..73...14..4.....5..18...26..2.3.6.1...95427........... (with Naked Triplet) 4.8 ..3...7......2....6.9.8.1.4...3.8....34...51....2.5...8.5.9.4.6....6......2...9.. (with Naked Quad) 4.9 ...........1.2.3...43.5.61....7.8....79...84....2.3....64.3.19...8.1.5........... UL4 4.6 1.......2.3.4.5.6.......7....7...2.....3.6.....8...4....2.......9.8.1.3.6.......9

another not found
UR3 with Hidden Triplet
UR3 with Naked Quad
UR3 with Hidden Quad
UL3 with Naked Pair
UL3 with Hidden Quad
UL formed by 14,16 cells

by **gsf** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:02 am

on a pentium 4 using the SE batch mode I get these ratings for Eioru's puzzles

Code: Select all: 536720080279083060008596372791632854624800793853947126000078030080360017307009048 # 4.5 012000406400602708608040209060504801020060507080907603246070985891256374300400162 # 4.6 172000308046000152305000607007031000000572000000640700708000269564000813209000574 # 4.7 370010046854960120000400000490256010500000004080049050000000000120604080700030001 # 7.1 007200403500000080009008006050600800003000000700102009100040607200001000074900010 # 4.7 000400870000003002000068504000000007025040908080000000700080003094016000030900040 # 5.0 200400030000000560006000100400060001000580200000003805048079000530000000000802000 # 5.0 060000040090204006004009780000000890400308002058000000087100400100906020020000010 # 4.7 000000000001234500030601070073000140040000050018000260020306010009542700000000000 # 4.699999999999999 003000700000020000609080104000308000034000510000205000805090406000060000002000900 # 4.8 000000000001020300043050610000708000079000840000203000064030190008010500000000000 # 4.8999999999999995 100000002030405060000000700007000200000306000008000400002000000090801030600000009 # 4.6

the 4th puzzle difference is suspect, Eioru 4.6 vs. the batch SE 7.1

the 99999* could be an artifact of the java runtime math implementation
a way around this would be to code SE using an integer rating a multiple of 10 greater
than the listed ratings and use an explicit output format (c-style: printf("%d.%d", irating/10, irating%10);)

by **gsf** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 4:04 am

it would be nice to get a few others to submit patterns to the game
see the first post on how to do that

by **TTHsieh** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:06 am

Eirou's 4.8, same hardest technique, but different in ratings.

Code: Select all: 000000000001020300043050610000708000079000840000203000064030190008010500000000000

different between batch and GUI wrote:
Batch mode
Analyzing Sudoku #1
55 Hidden Single
2 Direct Hidden Pair
6 Pointing
2 Naked Pair
2 X-Wing
2 Hidden Pair
1 XY-Wing
1 Unique Rectangle type 1
1 Unique Loop type 3
Hardest technique: Unique Loop type 3
Difficulty: 4.8999999999999995

GUI mode
Analysis results
Difficulty rating: 4.9
This Sudoku can be solved using the following logical methods:
55 x Hidden Single
2 x Direct Hidden Pair
6 x Pointing
2 x Naked Pair
2 x X-Wing
2 x Hidden Pair
1 x XY-Wing
1 x Unique Rectangle type 1
1 x Unique Loop type 3

TTHsieh

by **TTHsieh** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:14 am

Same rating, but different in hardest techniques.

Code: Select all: 003000700000020000609080104000308000034000510000205000805090406000060000002000900,#1 003406700000030000500020004900040008084307590300080007600070005000090000002508100,#2

diffenent in hardest technique wrote:
Analyzing Sudoku #1
48 Hidden Single
7 Direct Hidden Pair
2 Naked Single
1 Claiming
1 Naked Triplet
2 XY-Wing
2 Unique Rectangle type 1
1 Unique Loop type 3
Hardest technique: Unique Loop type 3
Difficulty: 4.8

Analyzing Sudoku #2
52 Hidden Single
1 Direct Hidden Pair
3 Pointing
2 Claiming
2 Naked Pair
1 X-Wing
1 Hidden Pair
1 XYZ-Wing
2 XY-Wing
1 Unique Rectangle type 4
1 Unique Rectangle type 3
Hardest technique: Unique Rectangle type 3
Difficulty: 4.8

TTHsieh

by **g.r.emlin** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:17 am

::: game 0005 start at 2007-12-23+16:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: dealer status candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin) 3 JPF 89 g.r.emlin past patterns 1 m_b_metcalf 1 ravel 1 wintder 2 Mauricio 2 g.r.emlin 13 JPF 15 TTHsieh

by **g.r.emlin** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:12 pm

::: game 0004 final :::

Code: Select all: game 0004 2007-12-20+23:23:00-0000 duration 23h12m dealer JPF index 300 (final) 5 players 1.2 1.5 1.7 2.0 2.3 2.5 2.6 2.8 3.0 3.2 3.4 3.6 3.8 4.0 4.2 4.4 4.5 4.6 4.7 5.0 5.2 5.6 5.7 5.8 5.9 6.0 6.2 6.5 6.6 6.69 6.7 6.8 6.89 6.9 7.0 7.1 7.2 7.3 7.4 7.5 7.6 7.7 7.8 7.9 8.0 8.2 8.3 8.4 8.5 8.6 8.7 8.8 8.9 9.0 9.1 submitter entries score response notes --------- ------- ----- -------- ----- Ruud 5 39 5m59s tarek 3 55 1m29s gsf 4 237 59.00s last-entry,highest-rating,dup-rating JPF 22 568 7m17s dealer TTHsieh 21 631 8m27s consecutive-entry --------- ------- 5 55 . . X | X X . | . . . . . X | . . . | . . . . . X | . . . | X X X ------+-------+------ . . . | X . X | . . X X . . | . X . | . . X X . . | X . X | . . . ------+-------+------ X X X | . . . | X . . . . . | . . . | X . . . . . | . X X | X . .

55 posted puzzles wrote:
001230000004000000005000461000502007500040002100603000826000300000000800000096100 # 1 1.2 JPF
001230000004000000005000463000702008800040001100603000956000700000000900000056100 # 11 1.5 JPF
001230000004000000005000263000403002700020004300701000589000400000000600000082700 # 10 1.7 TTHsieh
007480000006000000009000568000309005900020003200704000752000100000000900000058300 # 2 2.0 Ruud
001230000004000000005000673000802005800060009100703000947000300000000900000047100 # 13 2.3 JPF
001230000004000000003000546000708005800090007900102000159000800000000300000056100 # 17 2.5 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000463000502007500040002100603000826000300000000800000096100 # 3 2.6 JPF
001230000004000000005000463000102007500040002300607000826000700000000800000016300 # 5 2.8 JPF
001230000004000000002000561000403005700080004300701000258000400000000900000065700 # 23 3.0 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000236000501002500070008600309000783000900000000400000018600 # 35 3.2 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000462000702008700040001100603000586000300000000500000086100 # 24 3.4 JPF
001230000004000000005000216000607008200010007500409000439000600000000500000041900 # 27 3.6 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000673000102008500090002300405000927000800000000900000047200 # 37 3.8 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000613000705008500020009200409000162000800000000500000063900 # 39 4.0 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000467000508009500040002700603000126000300000000900000086700 # 7 4.2 JPF
009120000005000000006000281000608007400070006700501000521000300000000600000084100 # 4 4.4 Ruud
001230000004000000005000467000501008500040002700603000926000300000000800000012700 # 9 4.5 JPF
006180000004000000002000598000804006900060004600701000573000400000000300000078600 # 22 4.6 tarek
001230000004000000005000637000504008900060002700901000129000300000000800000049700 # 31 4.7 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000672000602004500080001700403000826000300000000800000061400 # 50 5.0 JPF
001230000004000000005000163000102005500070002300608000923000800000000900000016200 # 45 5.2 TTHsieh
004310000002000000007000894000205003300040005900103000761000500000000400000078600 # 18 5.6 tarek
001230000004000000005000463000702001700040008900603000526000300000000500000016800 # 26 5.7 JPF
001230000004000000005000673000801009800040006100603000746000500000000700000026100 # 44 5.8 JPF
001230000004000000005000637000807005800040002100906000379000500000000200000069100 # 46 5.9 JPF
001230000004000000005000461000708002500010008100602000478000300000000900000073100 # 51 6.0 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000463000702004700040005100503000627000300000000600000087100 # 28 6.2 JPF
001230000004000000005000463000702005700040001100803000627000300000000600000027500 # 32 6.5 JPF
001230000004000000005000463000501004500040002300607000826000700000000900000012300 # 12 6.6 TTHsieh
009370000002000000004000567000402009600090002900806000586000200000000400000087900 # 15 6.69 tarek
001230000004000000003000451000302006500040002100507000869000700000000800000095100 # 25 6.7 TTHsieh
001230000004000000003000254000607002200050008300409000476000100000000300000045600 # 20 6.8 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000463000602007200040001100803000746000200000000700000086100 # 52 6.89 JPF
009320000005000000007000394000102003300090008700506000521000400000000700000059600 # 8 6.9 Ruud
001230000004000000005000463000702005700040001100803000627000300000000600000027800 # 21 7.0 JPF
007360000004000000001000364000406002900030007800701000139000200000000900000028100 # 19 7.1 Ruud
001230000004000000005000423000102006500040007300806000728000600000000700000018300 # 14 7.2 TTHsieh
007230000004000000005000967000501008500040002700603000946000300000000800000012500 # 36 7.3 gsf
001230000004000000005000261000705002200060008500409000432000100000000500000042900 # 33 7.4 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000463000602007800040002100803000958000200000000900000058100 # 40 7.5 JPF
001230000004000000005000463000607004600040002100809000926000300000000500000076100 # 42 7.6 JPF
001230000004000000005000216000703005200010007600408000132000900000000500000041800 # 41 7.7 TTHsieh
003840000001000000009000284000104002600020001400603000927000100000000800000052600 # 6 7.8 Ruud
008230000004000000005000263000701005800060002100803000627000300000000400000017500 # 48 7.9 gsf
001230000004000000005000673000403006800060009900801000469000100000000200000047900 # 49 8.0 TTHsieh
001230000004000000002000563000703005800090004300801000259000700000000400000075800 # 43 8.2 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000423000506007500040006100802000968000700000000900000028100 # 34 8.3 JPF
001230000004000000005000423000602007500040006300807000428000700000000600000018300 # 29 8.4 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000463000602005700050001500703000896000300000000800000096100 # 16 8.5 JPF
001230000004000000002000563000703005100080004300102000857000400000000600000095100 # 53 8.6 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000463000507008500010007200806000469000300000000700000089500 # 54 8.7 JPF
001230000004000000005000673000803006400060001200401000562000800000000500000086400 # 47 8.8 TTHsieh
001230000004000000005000673000501002500040006100603000846000300000000800000076500 # 30 8.9 JPF
001280000004000000005000723000603007500040006100802000948000600000000900000078100 # 38 9.0 gsf
001280000004000000005000723000603007500090006100802000948000600000000900000078100 # 55 9.1 gsf

by **Pat** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 5:25 pm

g.r.emlin wrote:::: game 0004 final :::
Code: Select all
game 0004 2007-12-20+23:23:00-0000 duration 23h12m dealer JPF index 300 (final) 5 players submitter entries score response notes --------- ------- ----- -------- ----- Ruud 5 39 5m59s tarek 3 55 1m29s gsf 4 237 59.00s last-entry,highest-rating,dup-rating JPF 22 568 7m17s dealer TTHsieh 21 631 8m27s consecutive-entry --------- ------- 5 55 . . X | X X . | . . . . . X | . . . | . . . . . X | . . . | X X X ------+-------+------ . . . | X . X | . . X X . . | . X . | . . X X . . | X . X | . . . ------+-------+------ X X X | . . . | X . . . . . | . . . | X . . . . . | . X X | X . .

there was an edited post on page 22

by **g.r.emlin** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:01 pm

::: game 0005 open dealer JPF 24 clues full dihedral symmetry :::

Code: Select all: . . . | 1 2 3 | . . . . . . | 4 . 5 | . . . . . 2 | . . . | 4 . . ------+-------+------ 6 3 . | . . . | . 5 4 5 . . | . . . | . . 7 7 8 . | . . . | . 6 9 ------+-------+------ . . 8 | . . . | 1 . . . . . | 7 . 6 | . . . . . . | 5 3 1 | . . . ER=2.0

by **gsf** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:02 pm

Code: Select all: . . . | 2 7 3 | . . . . . . | 9 . 4 | . . . . . 2 | . . . | 4 . . ------+-------+------ 3 6 . | . . . | . 5 4 5 . . | . . . | . . 7 7 8 . | . . . | . 6 9 ------+-------+------ . . 8 | . . . | 1 . . . . . | 7 . 9 | . . . . . . | 5 3 1 | . . . ER=6.9

by **gsf** » Sun Dec 23, 2007 8:07 pm

sorry for the open delay
all of the state transitions are now working without manual intervention
except for start => open
I thought it was a forum conseuctive post timing window but it looks like its something different

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