The New Sudoku Players' Forum

[tarek]

if an entry is penalised then it shouldn't score anything but the penalty deduction.

suggestion for the penalty deduction:

deduction would be equal to score earned if that puzzle wasn't penalised....

so if an entry without check is Entry #53 + Last enrty + highest rated + 100 due to peral diamond formula then the penalty would be ...

- ( 53 + Last enrty bonus + highest rated bonus + 100 due to peral diamond formula) there should be no +s for a penalised entry.

Strategy suggestion,

It would help so much if the status post would somehow tell us which submutter is responsible for which entry).....

Therefore a self-trump can be avoided & targeting close oponents would be easier.


tarek

[Pat]

It would help so much if the status post would somehow tell us which submutter is responsible for which entry).....

Therefore a self-trump can be avoided & targeting close oponents would be easier.

yes, one per line

10.6/10.6/9.8 JPF

[gsf]

TTHsieh self-trump -50

strategy --

the score for the new puzzle itself ( ignoring bonuses and penalties )
is higher than the score for the old puzzle which was trumped --

is it higher by 50 ( to make the penalty worthwhile ) ?
it may earn the bonus for last-entry,
in that case it is worthwhile.

interesting, a clarification is in order
currently bonuses are added, dealer penalty is subtracted, and error (-50) submissions are assigned
so currently entries against the rules get -50
I'll update the rules to reflect the current referee

[Pat]

so tarek is right about the penalty -- "if an entry is penalised then it shouldn't score anything but the penalty deduction" -- the self-trump is invalid and gets no score nor any bonuses

question -- what's the current status of 8.7 -- is it 8.7/8.7/8.2 ( as before the invalid entry ) -- could someone else now post a 8.7/8.7/8.4

[JPF]

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 . 4 . | . 3 . | . 5 .
 . . 3 | . . 6 | . . 7
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 3 . . | 6 . . | 8 . .
 . 1 . | . 9 . | . 6 .
 . . 6 | . . 4 | . . 9
-------+-------+-------
 5 . . | 9 . . | 7 . .
 . 7 . | . 5 . | . 2 .
 . . 8 | . . 7 | . . 5      ED=9.6/9.6/9.3



JPF

[g.r.emlin]

::: adjustment :::

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2008-02-05+17:55:00-0000 JPF self-trump -50


[JPF]

::: status :::

[g.r.emlin]

::: game 0016 status LIGHTNING :::

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game 0016 2008-02-03+10:16:00-0000 LIGHTNING duration 2d07h dealer Mauricio page 87 (open) 7 players

   1.2/1.2/1.2 Mauricio        1.5/1.2/1.2 Pat             1.7/1.2/1.2 tarek           2.0/2.0/2.0 TTHsieh   
   2.3/2.0/2.0 TTHsieh         2.5/2.5/2.5 Mauricio        2.6/2.5/2.5 TTHsieh         2.8/2.5/2.5 Mauricio   
   3.0/3.0/3.0 TTHsieh         3.2/3.0/3.0 Mauricio        3.4/3.4/3.4 TTHsieh         3.6/3.6/3.6 gsf       
   3.8/3.8/3.8 TTHsieh         4.2/4.2/3.6 Mauricio        4.4/3.8/3.8 Mauricio        4.5/3.8/3.8 tarek     
   4.6/3.6/3.6 m_b_metcalf     4.7/3.6/3.4 tarek           5.6/3.8/3.8 Mauricio        5.7/3.8/3.8 Mauricio   
   6.2/3.8/3.8 Mauricio        6.5/3.8/3.8 gsf             6.6/6.6/3.6 Mauricio        6.7/3.8/3.8 TTHsieh   
   6.8/4.5/3.4 TTHsieh         6.9/3.8/3.8 Mauricio        7.0/7.0/3.6 Mauricio        7.1/7.1/7.1 Mauricio   
   7.2/7.2/7.2 Mauricio        7.3/7.3/7.3 Mauricio        7.4/7.4/7.3 Mauricio        7.5/7.5/3.8 Mauricio   
   7.6/7.6/3.8 m_b_metcalf     7.7/7.7/3.4 tarek           7.8/7.8/3.8 tarek           7.9/7.9/3.8 TTHsieh   
   8.0/1.2/1.2 TTHsieh         8.2/8.2/8.2 Mauricio        8.3/8.3/8.3 tarek           8.4/8.4/8.4 TTHsieh   
   8.5/8.5/8.5 Mauricio        8.6/8.6/8.4 TTHsieh         8.7/8.7/8.4 TTHsieh         8.8/8.8/8.8 Mauricio   
   8.9/8.9/8.9 TTHsieh         9.0/9.0/9.0 TTHsieh         9.1/9.1/9.1 Mauricio        9.2/9.2/9.2 TTHsieh   
   9.3/9.3/9.3 Mauricio        9.4/9.4/9.4 Mauricio        9.5/9.5/9.3 JPF             9.6/9.6/9.3 JPF       
   9.7/9.7/9.3 JPF             9.8/9.8/9.7 Mauricio        9.9/9.9/9.9 Mauricio       10.0/1.2/1.2 JPF       
 10.3/10.3/9.3 Mauricio      10.6/10.6/9.8 JPF                                                               

       submitter  entries  score  response  notes
     -----------  -------  -----  --------  -----
             Pat        1     -8     3m39s  dup-puzzle
             gsf        2      9     6m12s  pearl-diamond*2,dup-rating-tie*2,lower-pearl*2,dup-puzzle*2
     m_b_metcalf        2     83     6m49s  pearl-diamond*2,dup-puzzle
           tarek        6    503    11m31s  consecutive-entry,pearl-diamond*4
         TTHsieh       16   1058     8m53s  consecutive-entry,self-trump*2,pearl-diamond*10
             JPF        5   1086    19m19s  pearl-diamond*3,self-trump,last-entry,highest-rating
        Mauricio       26   3309    11m07s  self-trump*3,pearl-diamond*22,dealer
     -----------  -------
               7       58


[gsf]

what's the current status of 8.7 -- is it 8.7/8.7/8.2 ( as before the invalid entry ) -- could someone else now post a 8.7/8.7/8.4

there's invalid and then there's invalid
the rules try to differentiate, but it could probably be tightened up
8.7/8.7/8.4 met the pattern/rating requirements, but went afoul of a submission rule
so the submission takes the rating slot and the submitter takes the credit and the -50 penalty

[tarek]

::: resign :::

[TTHsieh]

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 1 . . | 2 . . | 3 . .
 . 2 . | . 4 . | . 1 .
 . . 5 | . . 1 | . . 6
 - - - + - - - + - - -
 5 . . | 7 . . | 6 . .
 . 7 . | . 5 . | . 8 .
 . . 9 | . . 2 | . . 5
 - - - + - - - + - - -
 9 . . | 8 . . | 1 . .
 . 8 . | . 2 . | . 6 .
 . . 4 | . . 3 | . . 8  ED=20.0/9.8/9.4



TTHsieh

[Mauricio]

ED=20.0/9.8/9.4

?? That sudoku is not valid.

[TTHsieh]

But SudokuExplaner.jar report 20.0/9.8/9.4, why ? Bug of SudokuExplaner.jar ?

TTHsieh

[tarek]

the program uses ER=20.0 to indicate invalidity.....

I wouldn't look at EP or ED

There is no bug

tarek

[m_b_metcalf]

the program uses ER=20.0 to indicate invalidity.....

I wouldn't look at EP or ED

There is no bug

tarek

It has 3 solutions:

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brute found 3 solution(s). Last was:
  1  9  7  2  8  6  3  5  4
  6  2  8  3  4  5  9  1  7
  4  3  5  9  7  1  8  2  6
  5  4  2  7  9  8  6  3  1
  3  7  6  1  5  4  2  8  9
  8  1  9  6  3  2  4  7  5
  9  5  3  8  6  7  1  4  2
  7  8  1  4  2  9  5  6  3
  2  6  4  5  1  3  7  9  8

Common clues (34):
  1  9  0  2  0  0  3  0  0
  0  2  0  0  4  0  0  1  0
  0  0  5  9  0  1  0  0  6
  5  0  0  7  0  0  6  0  0
  0  7  0  0  5  0  0  8  0
  0  1  9  6  0  2  0  0  5
  9  5  0  8  0  0  1  0  0
  0  8  1  0  2  0  0  6  0
  0  6  4  0  0  3  0  0  8


Regards,

Mike Metcalf