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by **coloin** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 12:54 pm

:::comment:::

gsf wrote:new games should produce interesting taxonomies
especially if coloin keeps submitting deals
right now we stand at 60 entries, 4 with ER >= 10.0

Sorry i've missed these developments with my "deal" - I have been away from "civilization".

The 16 clue base with a low grid solution rate i believe is the reason we get a large number of puzzles.
No infered clues and a minimum [they cant be avoided] number of bivalue cells

My "own" 10.6 together with the development of the pattern was posted here.

The partner in the pattern [with a switched B9] would be a good candidate, but not so symmetrical. The "nugget" pattern should also potentially slow everyone down somewhat !

The Patterns game is certainly continuing to advance how we can "rate" puzzles.

Has N. Juillerat modified his windows program - ? or been in contact ?

C

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:10 pm

::: game 0014 idle -- with no further entries the game will close at 2008-01-29+15:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: game 0014 2008-01-27+17:15:00-0000 duration 1d06h dealer JPF index 1095 (closed) 6 players 1.5/1.5/1.5 1.7/1.2/1.2 2.0/1.5/1.5 2.3/1.5/1.5 2.5/1.2/1.2 2.6/1.5/1.5 2.8/1.5/1.5 3.0/1.5/1.5 3.2/1.5/1.5 3.4/1.5/1.5 3.6/1.2/1.2 3.8/1.2/1.2 4.2/1.5/1.5 4.4/1.2/1.2 4.5/1.5/1.5 4.6/1.2/1.2 5.0/1.2/1.2 5.2/1.2/1.2 5.6/1.2/1.2 5.7/1.2/1.2 6.5/1.2/1.2 6.6/1.5/1.5 6.7/1.5/1.5 6.8/1.2/1.2 6.9/1.2/1.2 7.0/1.2/1.2 7.1/1.5/1.5 7.2/1.5/1.5 7.3/1.2/1.2 7.4/1.2/1.2 7.5/1.2/1.2 7.6/1.2/1.2 7.7/1.2/1.2 7.8/1.5/1.5 7.9/1.2/1.2 8.2/1.2/1.2 8.3/1.5/1.5 8.4/1.2/1.2 8.5/1.5/1.5 8.8/1.2/1.2 8.9/1.2/1.2 9.0/1.2/1.2 9.1/1.2/1.2 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 0 0 0 dealer Mauricio 4 90 27m59s highest-rating tarek 7 105 3m19s premature-entry gsf 13 259 12m53s m_b_metcalf 10 338 8m24s TTHsieh 9 350 3m59s premature-entry,last-entry ----------- ------- 6 43

NOTE: a www get failure caused early closing -- the summary has been fixed and similar failures will be detected next time

by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 2:58 pm

::: comment :::

g.r.emlin wrote:::: game 0014 idle -- with no further entries the game will close at 2008-01-29+15:00:00-0000 :::
Code: Select all
game 0014 2008-01-27+17:15:00-0000 duration 21h35m dealer JPF index 1095 (open) 6 players 1.5/1.5/1.5 1.7/1.2/1.2 2.0/1.5/1.5 2.3/1.5/1.5 2.5/1.2/1.2 2.6/1.5/1.5 2.8/1.5/1.5 3.0/1.5/1.5 3.2/1.5/1.5 3.4/1.5/1.5 3.6/1.2/1.2 3.8/1.2/1.2 4.2/1.5/1.5 4.4/1.2/1.2 4.5/1.5/1.5 5.0/1.2/1.2 5.6/1.2/1.2 6.5/1.2/1.2 6.6/1.5/1.5 6.7/1.5/1.5 6.8/1.2/1.2 6.9/1.2/1.2 7.0/1.2/1.2 7.1/1.2/1.2 7.2/1.5/1.5 7.3/1.2/1.2 7.8/1.5/1.5 8.3/1.5/1.5 8.4/1.2/1.2 8.5/1.5/1.5 8.8/1.2/1.2 9.0/1.2/1.2 9.1/1.2/1.2 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 0 0 0 dealer Mauricio 3 39 27m59s highest-rating TTHsieh 4 60 3m29s premature-entry tarek 7 105 3m19s premature-entry m_b_metcalf 7 163 9m51s gsf 12 253 13m59s last-entry ----------- ------- 6 33

Wow, 10 ratings have disappeared!

Regards,

Mike Metcalf

by **g.r.emlin** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:15 pm

::: game 0014 closed (idle for 1d00h) -- preliminary results :::

Code: Select all: game 0014 2008-01-27+17:15:00-0000 duration 1d06h dealer JPF index 1095 (closed) 6 players 1.5/1.5/1.5 1.7/1.2/1.2 2.0/1.5/1.5 2.3/1.5/1.5 2.5/1.2/1.2 2.6/1.5/1.5 2.8/1.5/1.5 3.0/1.5/1.5 3.2/1.5/1.5 3.4/1.5/1.5 3.6/1.2/1.2 3.8/1.2/1.2 4.2/1.5/1.5 4.4/1.2/1.2 4.5/1.5/1.5 4.6/1.2/1.2 5.0/1.2/1.2 5.2/1.2/1.2 5.6/1.2/1.2 5.7/1.2/1.2 6.5/1.2/1.2 6.6/1.5/1.5 6.7/1.5/1.5 6.8/1.2/1.2 6.9/1.2/1.2 7.0/1.2/1.2 7.1/1.5/1.5 7.2/1.5/1.5 7.3/1.2/1.2 7.4/1.2/1.2 7.5/1.2/1.2 7.6/1.2/1.2 7.7/1.2/1.2 7.8/1.5/1.5 7.9/1.2/1.2 8.2/1.2/1.2 8.3/1.5/1.5 8.4/1.2/1.2 8.5/1.5/1.5 8.8/1.2/1.2 8.9/1.2/1.2 9.0/1.2/1.2 9.1/1.2/1.2 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 0 0 0 dealer Mauricio 4 90 27m59s highest-rating tarek 7 105 3m19s premature-entry gsf 13 259 12m53s m_b_metcalf 10 338 8m24s TTHsieh 9 350 3m59s premature-entry,last-entry ----------- ------- 6 43

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:17 pm

::: comment :::
edit -- no pearls
::: pearl :::

by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:21 pm

::: comment ::

gsf wrote:::: pearl :::
Code: Select all
010000020003000400000503000004030600070000050006020800000109000002000300050000010 5.7/1.2/1.2 [snip] 010000080002000300000705000006040200070000010005030900000901000004000600080000070 2.6/1.5/1.5

Actually, none of these are 'Pearls' according to the usual definitions. I would suggest an EP rating >~ 4.0 to qualify.

Regards,

Mike Mecalf

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:34 pm

coloin wrote::::comment:::
Has N. Juillerat modified his windows program - ? or been in contact ?

I've been in contact
I believe the author may be busy with other work

I didn't change the windows code but may have botched the main entry point in the .jar manifest
I'll address that before the next game

by **m_b_metcalf** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:43 pm

gsf wrote:
coloin wrote::::comment:::
Has N. Juillerat modified his windows program - ? or been in contact ?

I've been in contact
I believe the author may be busy with other work

I didn't change the windows code but may have botched the main entry point in the .jar manifest
I'll address that before the next game

gsf, since another player also had a problem with the .jar/.zip conversion, it might be worth adding a parenthetical note to the Rules: "(If your operating system converts the .jar extension to .zip, simply change it back again.)"

Thanks,

Mike Metcalf

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 4:54 pm

m_b_metcalf wrote:::: comment :::
Wow, 10 ratings have disappeared!

the page starting with post 1155 came back empty sometime this morning
that was a failure mode that slipped through the cracks
those missing posts also causes the referee to close the game early
(idle time computation is based on the last post seen)
the final status posts will be fixed

by **gsf** » Tue Jan 29, 2008 5:00 pm

m_b_metcalf wrote:::: comment ::

gsf wrote:::: pearl :::
Code: Select all
010000020003000400000503000004030600070000050006020800000109000002000300050000010 5.7/1.2/1.2 [snip] 010000080002000300000705000006040200070000010005030900000901000004000600080000070 2.6/1.5/1.5

Actually, none of these are 'Pearls' according to the usual definitions. I would suggest an EP rating >~ 4.0 to qualify.

thanks
I had a script to do the final pearl post and hadn't updated it

using ER/EP/ED gives us a continuum to play with
the rules try to capture this with the pearl/diamond bonus

Code: Select all: (5*(EP-2.3)+10*(ED-2.3))

2.3 is the last ER that deals with singles and this experssion roughly matches the
previous strong pearl maximum

so lets try EP>2.3 for pearl posts and see if we're inundated

by **g.r.emlin** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 12:16 am

::: game 0015 start at 2008-01-30+08:00:00-0000 :::

Code: Select all: dealer status candidate patterns (via private message to g.r.emlin) 2 gsf 3 m_b_metcalf 88 g.r.emlin past patterns 1 coloin 1 gsf 1 m_b_metcalf 1 ravel 1 wintder 2 Mauricio 2 g.r.emlin 16 JPF 20 TTHsieh

by **gsf** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 7:26 am

based on good public and private comments, and game 0014 experience, I reworked
the SE command line interface into one entry point serate(1)

it supports formatted output, command line or file puzzle input, and standard output or file output
SudokuExplainer.jar has the changes (but will retain the ER ED EP entry points for a while)

the source changes (Solver.java changed, serate.java new) are in the serate.tgz tarball
I also believe the jar manifest now correctly points to the windows SE entry point by default (as it does in the standard SE jar file)

by **g.r.emlin** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:10 am

::: game 0014 final :::

Code: Select all: game 0014 2008-01-27+17:15:00-0000 duration 1d06h dealer JPF index 1095 (final) 6 players 1.5/1.5/1.5 1.7/1.2/1.2 2.0/1.5/1.5 2.3/1.5/1.5 2.5/1.2/1.2 2.6/1.5/1.5 2.8/1.5/1.5 3.0/1.5/1.5 3.2/1.5/1.5 3.4/1.5/1.5 3.6/1.2/1.2 3.8/1.2/1.2 4.2/1.5/1.5 4.4/1.2/1.2 4.5/1.5/1.5 4.6/1.2/1.2 5.0/1.2/1.2 5.2/1.2/1.2 5.6/1.2/1.2 5.7/1.2/1.2 6.5/1.2/1.2 6.6/1.5/1.5 6.7/1.5/1.5 6.8/1.2/1.2 6.9/1.2/1.2 7.0/1.2/1.2 7.1/1.5/1.5 7.2/1.5/1.5 7.3/1.2/1.2 7.4/1.2/1.2 7.5/1.2/1.2 7.6/1.2/1.2 7.7/1.2/1.2 7.8/1.5/1.5 7.9/1.2/1.2 8.2/1.2/1.2 8.3/1.5/1.5 8.4/1.2/1.2 8.5/1.5/1.5 8.8/1.2/1.2 8.9/1.2/1.2 9.0/1.2/1.2 9.1/1.2/1.2 submitter entries score response notes ----------- ------- ----- -------- ----- JPF 0 0 0 dealer Mauricio 4 90 27m59s highest-rating tarek 7 105 3m19s premature-entry gsf 13 259 12m53s m_b_metcalf 10 338 8m24s TTHsieh 9 350 3m59s premature-entry,last-entry ----------- ------- 6 43 . X . | . . . | . X . . . X | . . . | X . . . . . | X . X | . . . ------+-------+------ . . X | . X . | X . . . X . | . . . | . X . . . X | . X . | X . . ------+-------+------ . . . | X . X | . . . . . X | . . . | X . . . X . | . . . | . X .

52 posted puzzles

Code: Select all: 010000020002000300000405000006040200070000010005060800000901000004000600090000070 # 1 1.5/1.2/1.2 - JPF 070000090003000100000507000004080200090000050008060300000208000009000400050000060 # 19 1.5/1.5/1.5 - gsf 080000050005000900000902000009060200030000040007020300000804000006000700010000080 # 15 1.7/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000020002000300000408000008050600070000010005060400000109000006000200090000070 # 8 2.0/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 010000080002000300000708000006090200070000010005030900000904000004000100020000070 # 24 2.0/1.5/1.5 - gsf 010000080008000300000602000006040500070000010005020800000109000002000400090000070 # 18 2.3/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 010000020003000400000501000005060300020000070008040900000302000004000600070000030 # 33 2.3/1.5/1.5 - TTHsieh 010000020003000400000506000007050200030000010008070600000901000006000700090000030 # 35 2.5/1.2/1.2 - TTHsieh 010000020002000700000308000008030200070000090003060400000901000004000600090000050 # 2 2.6/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 010000080002000300000705000006040200070000010005030900000901000004000600080000070 # 3 2.6/1.5/1.5 - gsf 010000090002000300000702000006040700030000010005070900000901000004000600080000050 # 5 2.8/1.5/1.5 - gsf 040000060005000300000902000001080500060000090003070800000301000008000700090000020 # 34 3.0/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000020003000400000405000006070300020000050008090700000608000001000900050000040 # 37 3.0/1.5/1.5 - TTHsieh 010000050002000300000708000006040200070000010005060900000902000004000500080000070 # 14 3.2/1.5/1.5 - gsf 010000090003000200000507000004010800090000050008060300000203000009000100050000060 # 16 3.4/1.5/1.5 - gsf 010000080008000200000704000002090300080000070006050900000602000009000500070000040 # 20 3.6/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000020003000400000501000006040500070000080004050900000609000005000600080000010 # 40 3.8/1.2/1.2 - TTHsieh 070000080006000300000908000004020500080000010009030200000701000002000600030000070 # 25 4.2/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000090003000400000506000004020800060000010008090300000703000009000100050000060 # 32 4.2/1.5/1.5 - gsf 030000080007000600000405000006010500080000040009060100000302000001000700040000030 # 17 4.4/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000080002000600000709000006040200070000010005030900000201000004000500080000070 # 12 4.5/1.5/1.5 - gsf 010000020003000400000105000004060700080000010002070300000204000007000800030000050 # 45 4.6/1.2/1.2 - TTHsieh 090000070007000600000503000003060200070000010005020400000901000008000700010000080 # 23 5.0/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 060000030008000700000608000001070400040000050007090800000301000009000100050000060 # 42 5.2/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 090000070007000200000304000003060500020000010008020400000901000005000300010000020 # 26 5.6/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 010000020003000400000503000004030600070000050006020800000109000002000300050000010 # 52 5.7/1.2/1.2 - TTHsieh 090000080008000700000205000002070400070000090006040500000109000003000600010000030 # 28 6.5/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 090000020002000700000503000003050800070000010005040200000109000007000500010000040 # 21 6.6/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 010000080002000600000709000006040200070000010005030900000201000004000300080000070 # 41 6.6/1.5/1.5 - gsf 040000080006000500000103000005090600080000010002050900000406000008000300010000040 # 22 6.7/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000090003000700000506000004070200060000010008090300000403000009000100050000060 # 30 6.7/1.5/1.5 - gsf 090000060005000800000205000001050300060000020004080500000903000008000700020000090 # 36 6.8/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000080008000500000407000002030700050000010004050800000901000003000400090000060 # 31 6.9/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 050000090003000100000807000004060200020000070006090400000502000009000800070000020 # 39 7.0/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 010000080008000700000205000006040200070000010005030800000901000004000600090000030 # 6 7.1/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 010000020003000400000405000005060700080000010002050800000901000006000200090000030 # 43 7.1/1.5/1.5 - TTHsieh 010000020003000400000506000004070800020000050008090300000402000009000700050000060 # 4 7.2/1.5/1.5 - Mauricio 040000090006000100000309000001070600020000030005010700000406000007000900030000040 # 27 7.3/1.2/1.2 - tarek 020000070003000800000506000008020900010000050004090300000408000009000200050000060 # 44 7.4/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 060000020003000900000506000004010200010000090008090300000703000009000100050000060 # 47 7.5/1.2/1.2 - gsf 010000020003000400000506000007040100020000050008070900000807000004000700050000060 # 48 7.6/1.2/1.2 - TTHsieh 050000090003000100000807000009030200020000070008090400000502000001000800070000020 # 46 7.7/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 010000020003000400000506000004070800060000010008090300000401000009000700050000060 # 9 7.8/1.5/1.5 - gsf 010000020003000400000105000004050300020000060007040500000207000005000700030000080 # 51 7.9/1.2/1.2 - Mauricio 060000020003000400000107000004050800020000070005090300000203000009000500070000060 # 49 8.2/1.2/1.2 - m_b_metcalf 080000020003000400000506000004010800020000050008090300000403000009000100050000060 # 7 8.3/1.5/1.5 - gsf 020000050003000700000401000007080300090000060005070100000206000008000500040000020 # 29 8.4/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000020003000400000506000004010800020000050008090300000203000009000100050000060 # 10 8.5/1.5/1.5 - m_b_metcalf 060000080001000700000403000003050200090000030008070500000609000005000100020000060 # 38 8.8/1.2/1.2 - tarek 010000020003000400000506000006070100050000080007040500000802000004000300020000060 # 50 8.9/1.2/1.2 - TTHsieh 010000020003000400000105000002040500060000070004030800000602000005000900070000010 # 13 9.0/1.2/1.2 - Mauricio 010000020003000400000105000004060700020000080007040300000203000006000900070000010 # 11 9.1/1.2/1.2 - Mauricio

by **g.r.emlin** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:15 am

::: game 0015 open dealer m_b_metcalf 27 clues horizontal and vertical symmetry :::

Code: Select all: . . 4 | . . . | 9 . . . 3 7 | . . . | 5 4 . 1 9 . | . . . | . 3 8 ------+-------+------ . . . | 1 . 3 | . . . . . . | 5 8 9 | . . . . . . | 2 . 4 | . . . ------+-------+------ 4 6 . | . . . | . 8 9 . 1 2 | . . . | 3 6 . . . 5 | . . . | 7 . . ED=2.3/1.2/1.2

by **tarek** » Wed Jan 30, 2008 9:56 am

Code: Select all: . . 4 | . . . | 1 . . . 9 8 | . . . | 2 6 . 3 6 . | . . . | . 9 4 -------+-------+------ . . . | 4 . 3 | . . . . . . | 5 6 2 | . . . . . . | 7 . 1 | . . . -------+-------+------ 4 1 . | . . . | . 2 5 . 8 2 | . . . | 4 1 . . . 7 | . . . | 6 . . ED=4.2/2.0/2.0

tarek

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