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Oddagons

Postby eleven » Wed Sep 22, 2021 7:29 pm

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 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . . 1 | 7 . . | . 5 . |
 | . . . | . . . | 6 . 4 |
 | 6 5 2 | 9 4 . | . . 8 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | 4 . 9 | . . . | 7 . . |
 | . . . | . 8 9 | . . . |
 | . . . | 4 . . | 8 . 6 |
 +-------+-------+-------+
 | . . . | . . . | . . . |
 | . 6 . | . 5 7 | . . . |
 | 8 . 4 | 6 . . | . . . |
 +-------+-------+-------+

Solved it using 3 2-digit oddagons, a 4th is not needed, the most usefull is (a bit) tricky.
I am curious about other solutions.
[Added:]ok, 2 of them can be replaced by a remote pair ...
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Re: Oddagons

Postby Leren » Wed Sep 22, 2021 8:55 pm

I used basics + 3 Franken fish.

1. Finned Franken Swordfish c68b4 / r69b6 fins r5c1 r5c2 => - 2 r5c79.

2. Finned Franken Swordfish in 3's c48b8 r249 fins r5c4 & r7c5 => - 3 r4c5

3. Finned Franken Swordfish in 1's r27b8 c248 fins r9c6 & r7c9 => - 1 r9c8; stte

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Re: Oddagons

Postby denis_berthier » Thu Sep 23, 2021 3:36 am

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Resolution state after Singles and whips[1]:
   +----------------+----------------+----------------+
   ! 3    4    1    ! 7    6    8    ! 29   5    29   !
   ! 79   79   8    ! 123  123  5    ! 6    13   4    !
   ! 6    5    2    ! 9    4    13   ! 13   7    8    !
   +----------------+----------------+----------------+
   ! 4    8    9    ! 1235 123  6    ! 7    123  1235 !
   ! 127  1237 6    ! 1235 8    9    ! 123  4    1235 !
   ! 12   123  5    ! 4    7    123  ! 8    9    6    !
   +----------------+----------------+----------------+
   ! 5    129  7    ! 8    1239 4    ! 1239 6    1239 !
   ! 129  6    3    ! 12   5    7    ! 4    8    129  !
   ! 8    129  4    ! 6    1239 123  ! 5    123  7    !
   +----------------+----------------+----------------+


Solved using only very elementary patterns:
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finned-x-wing-in-columns: n2{c8 c6}{r9 r4} ==> r4c5≠2, r4c4≠2
whip[1]: r4n2{c9 .} ==> r5c7≠2, r5c9≠2
naked-pairs-in-a-column: c7{r3 r5}{n1 n3} ==> r7c7≠3, r7c7≠1
biv-chain[3]: r6c1{n1 n2} - b5n2{r6c6 r5c4} - r8c4{n2 n1} ==> r8c1≠1
whip[1]: b7n1{r9c2 .} ==> r5c2≠1, r6c2≠1
biv-chain[3]: r8c4{n1 n2} - r8c1{n2 n9} - r9n9{c2 c5} ==> r9c5≠1
z-chain[3]: r7n3{c5 c9} - c8n3{r9 r2} - c4n3{r2 .} ==> r4c5≠3
singles ==> r4c5=1, r6c1=1
finned-x-wing-in-rows: n1{r2 r8}{c4 c8} ==> r9c8≠1
stte
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Re: Oddagons

Postby marek stefanik » Thu Sep 23, 2021 6:38 am

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.--------------.-----------------.-----------------.
| 3    4     1 | 7     6     8   | 29    5    29   |
| 79   79    8 |b123  *123   5   | 6    *13   4    |
| 6    5     2 | 9     4     1–3 | 13    7    8    |
:--------------+-----------------+-----------------:
| 4    8     9 | 5–123*123   6   | 7    *123  1235 |
| 127  1237  6 |a123–5 8     9   | 123   4    1235 |
| 12   123   5 | 4     7     123 | 8     9    6    |
:--------------+-----------------+-----------------:
| 5    129   7 | 8     1239  4   | 1239  6    1239 |
| 129  6     3 | 12    5     7   | 4     8    129  |
| 8    129   4 | 6     1239 a123 | 5     123  7    |
'--------------'-----------------'-----------------'
Whichever digit a is true in r9c6 has an x-wing in c58\r24 forcing it into r5 in c4. –5r5c4, +5r4c4
(3r2c4 = 3r5c4) => (3r2c4 = 3a) => (3r2c4 = 3r9c6) => –3r3c6
2c68\r49b5 => –2r4c5, btte

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Re: Oddagons

Postby shye » Thu Sep 23, 2021 8:07 am

marek stefanik wrote:Whichever digit a is true in r9c6 has an x-wing in c58\r24 forcing it into r5 in c4. –5r5c4, +5r4c4
(3r2c4 = 3r5c4) => (3r2c4 = 3a) => (3r2c4 = 3r9c6) => –3r3c6
2c68\r49b5 => –2r4c5, btte

awesome solution!

my path for this was well over 4 steps, and kinda ugly in places >_>
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Re: Oddagons

Postby eleven » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:22 am

Code: Select all
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 3     4     1     | 7     6     8     | 29    5     29    |
| 79    79    8     | 123   123   5     | 6    c13    4     |
| 6     5     2     | 9     4    a13    |b13    7     8     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 4     8     9     | 1235 #12+3  6     | 7    #12+3  1235  |
| 127   1237  6     | 1235  8     9     | 123   4     1235  |
| 12    123   5     | 4     7    #12+3  | 8     9     6     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 5     129   7     | 8     1239  4     | 1239  6     1239  |
| 129   6     3     | 12    5     7     | 4     8     129   |
| 8     129   4     | 6    d1239 #12+3  | 5    #12+3  7     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+

Oddagon 12 with guardians 3r4c5,r69c6,r49c8
3 in r3c6 implies 3r2c8 and 3r9c5, killing all guardians => -3r3c6
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+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 3     4     1     | 7     6     8     | 29    5     29    |
| 79    79    8     | 23    23    5     | 6     1     4     |
| 6     5     2     | 9     4     1     | 3     7     8     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 4     8     9     | 15-23 1-2   6     | 7    #23    1235  |
| 127   1237  6     | 1235  8     9     | 12    4     1235  |
| 12    123   5     | 4     7    #23    | 8     9     6     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+
| 5     129   7     | 8     1239  4     | 129   6     1239  |
| 129   6     3     | 12    5     7     | 4     8     129   |
| 8     129   4     | 6     1239 #23    | 5    #23    7     |
+-------------------+-------------------+-------------------+

Remote pair 23 => -23r4c45, stte
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Re: Oddagons

Postby eleven » Thu Sep 23, 2021 10:54 pm

marek stefanik wrote:Whichever digit a is true in r9c6 has an x-wing in c58\r24 forcing it into r5 in c4. –5r5c4, +5r4c4
(3r2c4 = 3r5c4) => (3r2c4 = 3a) => (3r2c4 = 3r9c6) => –3r3c6

I can't see this. 3r9c6 implies 3r5c4, but 3r5c4 does not imply 3r9c6, does it ?
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