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|...|8.5|...|
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October 18, 2017
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October 18, 2017
by ArkieTech » Tue Oct 17, 2017 10:40 pm
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Re: October 18, 2017
by Leren » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:13 pm
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*---------------------------------------------------------------*
| 6 235 123 | 9 4 18 | 1258 a58 7 |
| 1457 2457 8 | 1257 1256 3 | 12459 469-5 14569 |
| 1457 9 1247 | 1257 12568 1678 | 3 46-58 1456 |
|--------------------+------------------+-----------------------|
| 9 345678 3467 | 3457 358 2 | 457 1 3456 |
| 2 34567 3467 | 13457 9 147 | 457 3467-5 8 |
| 4578 1 347 | 6 358 478 | 4579 2 3459 |
|--------------------+------------------+-----------------------|
| 1478 2478 5 | 1234 123 149 | 6 b34789 1349 |
| 147 2467 124679 | 8 1236 5 | 1479 3479 1349 |
| 3 468 1469 | 14 7 1469 |c58-149 db4589 2 |
*---------------------------------------------------------------*
M Ring Type D : (5=8) r1c8 - r79c8 = (8-5) r9c7 = (5) r9c8 loop => - 5 r2c8, -58 r3c8, - 5 r5c8, -149 r9c7; lclste
Leren
PS How about this for an stte Fudge : [M Ring Type D : (5=8) r1c8 - r79c8 = (8-5) r9c7 = (5) r9c8 loop => - 5 r2c8, -58 r3c8, - 5 r5c8, -149 r9c7] = 8 r1c78 => - 8 r1c7; stte
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Re: October 18, 2017
by pjb » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:40 pm
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6 235 123 | 9 4 1-8 |b1258 a58 7
1457 2457 8 | 1257 1256 3 | 12459 469-5 14569
1457 9 1247 | 1257 12568 1678 | 3 46-58 1456
------------------------+----------------------+---------------------
9 345678 3467 | 3457 358 2 | 457 1 3456
2 34567 3467 | 13457 9 147 | 457 3467-5 8
4578 1 347 | 6 358 478 | 4579 2 3459
------------------------+----------------------+---------------------
1478 2478 5 | 1234 123 149 | 6 34789 1349
147 2467 124679 | 8 1236 5 | 1479 3479 1349
3 468 1469 | 14 7 1469 |c58-149d4589 2
(5=8)r1c8 - r1c7 = (8-5)r9c7 = r9c8 - loop => -8 r1c6, -8 r3c8, -5 r235c8, -149 r9c7; stte
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Re: October 18, 2017
by SteveG48 » Tue Oct 17, 2017 11:43 pm
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*-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
| 6 235 123 | 9 4 1-8 |d1258 a58 7 |
| 1457 2457 8 | 1257 1256 3 | 12459 4569 14569 |
| 1457 9 1247 | 1257 12568 1678 | 3 456-8 1456 |
*-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
| 9 345678 3467 | 3457 358 2 | 457 1 3456 |
| 2 34567 3467 | 13457 9 147 | 457 34567 8 |
| 4578 1 347 | 6 358 478 | 4579 2 3459 |
*-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------|
| 1478 2478 5 | 1234 123 149 | 6 34789 1349 |
| 147 2467 124679 | 8 1236 5 | 1479 3479 1349 |
| 3 468 1469 | 14 7 1469 |c14589 b4589 2 |
*-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*
(8=5)r1c8 - r9c8 = (5-8)r9c7 = 8r1c7 => -8 r1c6,r3c8 ; stte
Curses! Behind Phil by 3 minutes!
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Re: October 18, 2017
by Leren » Wed Oct 18, 2017 2:23 am
It looks to me like Phil has used an M Ring type that is not covered by the famous post on that subject that you can see here.
I've drawn up a provisional exemplar for this case, based on the exemplars for M Rings Types A - D. For this puzzle a = 8 and b = 5.
Does this make sense ? Perhaps StrmCkr can have a look at this.
Leren
I've drawn up a provisional exemplar for this case, based on the exemplars for M Rings Types A - D. For this puzzle a = 8 and b = 5.
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-a -a -a | . / . | . . .
-ab ab -ab | . b . |-b -b -b
/ a / | / ab+ / | / / /
------------+----------+---------
. -a . | . / . | . . .
. -a . | . / . | . . .
. -a . | . / . | . . .
------------+----------+---------
. -a . | . / . | . . .
. -a . | . / . | . . .
. -a . | . / . | . . .
Does this make sense ? Perhaps StrmCkr can have a look at this.
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Re: October 18, 2017
by Cenoman » Wed Oct 18, 2017 8:08 am
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+---------------------------+-------------------------+---------------------------+
| 6 235 123 | 9 4 1-8 | 1258 C58 7 |
| 1457 2457 8 | 1257 1256 3 | 12459 4569 14569 |
| 1457 9 1247 | 1257 c12568 c1678 | 3 b4568 1456 |
+---------------------------+-------------------------+---------------------------+
| 9 345678 3467 | 3457 358 2 | 457 1 3456 |
| 2 34567 3467 | 13457 9 147 | 457 34567 8 |
| 4578 1 347 | 6 358 478 | 4579 2 3459 |
+---------------------------+-------------------------+---------------------------+
| a1478* a2478* 5 | 1234 123 149 | 6 a34789* 1349 |
| 147 2467 124679 | 8 1236 5 | 1479 3479 1349 |
| 3 a468* 1469 | 14 7 1469 | A14589# Ba4589* 2 |
+---------------------------+-------------------------+---------------------------+
Almost X-wing (8)r79 + rfr9c7
[XW(8)r9c8*=r9c2-r7c12=r7c8] - r3c8 = (8)r3c56
(8-5)r9c7 = r9c8 - (5=8)r1c8
=> -8 r1c6; stte
note (the same but b, c terms):
Almost X-wing (8)r79 + rfr9c7
[XW(8)r9c8*=r9c2-r7c12=r7c8]
(8-5)r9c7 = r9c8 - (5=8)r1c8
=> -8 r3c8; lclste
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Re: October 18, 2017
by Sudtyro2 » Wed Oct 18, 2017 4:09 pm
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b
*---------------------------------------------------------------*
| 6 235 123 | 9 4 1-8 | 1258* c58 7 | c
| 1457 2457 8 | 1257 1256 3 | 12459 4569 14569 |
| 1457 9 1247 | 1257 12568 1678 | 3 4568 1456 |
|--------------------+------------------+-----------------------|
| 9 345678 3467 | 3457 358 2 | 457 1 3456 |
| 2 34567 3467 | 13457 9 147 | 457 34567 8 |
| 4578 1 347 | 6 358 478 | 4579 2 3459 |
|--------------------+------------------+-----------------------|
| 1478 2478 5 | 1234 123 149 | 6 34789 1349 |
| 147 2467 124679 | 8 1236 5 | 1479 3479 1349 |
| 3 468 1469 | 14 7 1469 |a14589# b4589 2 |
*---------------------------------------------------------------*
Finned 1-Fish c7\r1 + rfr9c7 => - 8r1c6; stte
Remote Fin(#): (8-5)r9c7 = r9c8 - (5=8)r1c8 - 8r1c6;
Covered Base(*): 8r1c7; PE: 8r1c8
Also equivalent to a Kraken col (8)c7 solution:
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(8-5)r9c7 = r9c8 - (5=8)r1c8 - 8r1c6;
8r1c7 - 8r1c6; stte
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Re: October 18, 2017
by Leren » Fri Oct 20, 2017 3:24 am
Congratulations are due to Phil for "discovering" a previously undocumented M Ring, Now designated Type AB and now included in StrmCkr and ronk's classic post on M Wings and M Rings.
I've morphed the original puzzle so that the M Ring move lines up exactly with the Exemplar diagram.
Here is the puzzle .7..2..8.......1.2..36.....3....52...4..7..9..9...8..68..5.......9.....1.6..3.92.
and the move in that format.
M Ring Type AB : (5=8) r2c2 - r3c2 = (8-5) r3c5 = (5) r2c5 loop => - 5 r2c1, - 58 r2c3, - 5 r2c8, - 8 r3c2; stte
The key elimination - 8 r3c2, which enables the stte finish, can't be accounted for by a Type B M Ring, but the loop was clearly an M ring of some sort, which StrmCkr has agreed has been previously undocumented.
Once again congratulations Phil.
Leren
I've morphed the original puzzle so that the M Ring move lines up exactly with the Exemplar diagram.
Here is the puzzle .7..2..8.......1.2..36.....3....52...4..7..9..9...8..68..5.......9.....1.6..3.92.
and the move in that format.
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*---------------------------------------------------------------*
| 14569 7 1456 | 1349 2 1349 | 3456 8 3459 |
| 469-5 a58 46-58 | 34789 d4589 3479 | 1 3467-5 2 |
| 12459 b1258 3 | 6 c58-149 1479 | 457 457 4579 |
|-------------------+----------------------+--------------------|
| 3 1-8 1678 | 149 1469 5 | 2 147 478 |
| 1256 4 12568 | 123 7 1236 | 358 9 358 |
| 1257 9 1257 | 1234 14 8 | 3457 13457 6 |
|-------------------+----------------------+--------------------|
| 8 123 1247 | 5 1469 124679 | 3467 3467 347 |
| 2457 235 9 | 2478 468 2467 | 345678 34567 1 |
| 1457 6 1457 | 1478 3 147 | 9 2 4578 |
*---------------------------------------------------------------*
M Ring Type AB : (5=8) r2c2 - r3c2 = (8-5) r3c5 = (5) r2c5 loop => - 5 r2c1, - 58 r2c3, - 5 r2c8, - 8 r3c2; stte
The key elimination - 8 r3c2, which enables the stte finish, can't be accounted for by a Type B M Ring, but the loop was clearly an M ring of some sort, which StrmCkr has agreed has been previously undocumented.
Once again congratulations Phil.
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