October 15, 2015

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October 15, 2015

Postby ArkieTech » Wed Oct 14, 2015 11:28 pm

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 *-----------*
 |..1|6..|48.|
 |...|.32|61.|
 |.5.|8..|.29|
 |---+---+---|
 |...|..5|1..|
 |51.|...|.94|
 |..9|1..|...|
 |---+---+---|
 |48.|..1|.3.|
 |.32|74.|...|
 |.76|..3|8..|
 *-----------*


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Re: October 15, 2015

Postby Leren » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:13 am

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*--------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
|b37      2       1        | 6      c5-7cD   9        | 4       8       357      |
| 78      9       478      | 45      3       2        | 6       1       57       |
| 6       5      a347aA    | 8       1       47b      | 37      2       9        |
|--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------|
| 2378    46      378      | 2349    2789    5        | 1       67      2368     |
| 5       1       78B      | 23      78C     6        | 23      9       4        |
| 2378    46      9        | 1       278     47       | 235     567     2368     |
|--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------|
| 4       8       5        | 29      6       1        | 279     3       27       |
| 19      3       2        | 7       4       8        | 59      56      16       |
| 19      7       6        | 259     259     3        | 8       4       12       |
*--------------------------------------------------------------------------------*

Kraken Cell r3c3 :

3 r3c3 - (3=7) r1c1  - 7 r1c5;

4 r3c3 - (4=7) r3c6  - 7 r1c5;

7 r3c3 - r5c3 = r5c5 - 7 r1c5; => - 7 r1c5; stte

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Re: October 15, 2015

Postby Marty R. » Thu Oct 15, 2015 3:40 am

Leren

I've been trying to find out what a Kraken cell is. But when I search for it all I get is Kraken fish. Can you provide a link to some site that explains it?

Thanks.
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Re: October 15, 2015

Postby Leren » Thu Oct 15, 2015 6:29 am

Marty R. wrote:Leren

I've been trying to find out what a Kraken cell is. But when I search for it all I get is Kraken fish. Can you provide a link to some site that explains it?

Thanks.

We've been using Kraken on this forum for some time to refer to a move resulting in a common outcome for all instances of a particular digit in a row, column or box, or all digits in a cell. The idea is that each component of the Kraken move is the start of a forcing chain - an extension of the idea of a Kraken fish where the fin is at the start of a forcing chain. Nobody has been complaining about this use of the term, so there seems to be general agreement that it's OK. I must admit that I can't remember when Kraken was first used in this context on this forum. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the history of this forum can provide a better answer.

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Re: October 15, 2015

Postby bat999 » Thu Oct 15, 2015 5:50 pm

Kraken Column 1 => -4 r4c4; stte
8-)

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.----------------.-------------------.----------------.
| a37    2   1   |  6      b57    9  | 4    8    357  |
|  78    9   478 | b45      3     2  | 6    1    57   |
|  6     5   347 |  8       1     47 | 37   2    9    |
:----------------+-------------------+----------------:
|  2378  46  378 |  239-4   2789  5  | 1    67   2368 |
|  5     1   78  |  23      78    6  | 23   9    4    |
|  2378  46  9   |  1       278   47 | 235  567  2368 |
:----------------+-------------------+----------------:
|  4     8   5   |  29      6     1  | 279  3    27   |
|  19    3   2   |  7       4     8  | 59   56   16   |
|  19    7   6   |  259     259   3  | 8    4    12   |
'----------------'-------------------'----------------'
(7)r1c1 - (7=4)r1c5,r2c4

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.----------------.------------------.-----------------.
|  37    2   1   |  6      57    9  | 4    8     357  |
| a78    9   478 | b45     3     2  | 6    1    b57   |
|  6     5   347 |  8      1     47 | 37   2     9    |
:----------------+------------------+-----------------:
|  2378  46  378 |  239-4  2789  5  | 1    67    2368 |
|  5     1   78  |  23     78    6  | 23   9     4    |
|  2378  46  9   |  1      278   47 | 235  567   2368 |
:----------------+------------------+-----------------:
|  4     8   5   |  29     6     1  | 279  3     27   |
|  19    3   2   |  7      4     8  | 59   56    16   |
|  19    7   6   |  259    259   3  | 8    4     12   |
'----------------'------------------'-----------------'
(7)r2c1 - (7=4)r2c49

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.-----------------.-----------------.-----------------.
|  37     2   1   | 6      57    9  | 4     8    357  |
|  78     9   478 | 45     3     2  | 6     1    57   |
|  6      5   347 | 8      1     47 | 37    2    9    |
:-----------------+-----------------+-----------------:
| a2378  b46  378 | 239-4  2789  5  | 1    b67   2368 |
|  5      1   78  | 23     78    6  | 23    9    4    |
|  2378   46  9   | 1      278   47 | 235   567  2368 |
:-----------------+-----------------+-----------------:
|  4      8   5   | 29     6     1  | 279   3    27   |
|  19     3   2   | 7      4     8  | 59    56   16   |
|  19     7   6   | 259    259   3  | 8     4    12   |
'-----------------'-----------------'-----------------'
(7)r4c1 - (7=4)r4c28

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.----------------.------------------.----------------.
|  37    2   1   | 6      57     9  | 4    8    357  |
|  78    9   478 | 45     3      2  | 6    1    57   |
|  6     5   347 | 8      1      47 | 37   2    9    |
:----------------+------------------+----------------:
|  2378  46  378 | 239-4  2789   5  | 1    67   2368 |
|  5     1   78  | 23     78     6  | 23   9    4    |
| a2378  46  9   | 1      278   b47 | 235  567  2368 |
:----------------+------------------+----------------:
|  4     8   5   | 29     6      1  | 279  3    27   |
|  19    3   2   | 7      4      8  | 59   56   16   |
|  19    7   6   | 259    259    3  | 8    4    12   |
'----------------'------------------'----------------'
(7)r6c1 - (7=4)r6c6
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Re: October 15, 2015

Postby Marty R. » Thu Oct 15, 2015 8:19 pm

Leren wrote:
Marty R. wrote:Leren

I've been trying to find out what a Kraken cell is. But when I search for it all I get is Kraken fish. Can you provide a link to some site that explains it?

Thanks.

We've been using Kraken on this forum for some time to refer to a move resulting in a common outcome for all instances of a particular digit in a row, column or box, or all digits in a cell. The idea is that each component of the Kraken move is the start of a forcing chain - an extension of the idea of a Kraken fish where the fin is at the start of a forcing chain. Nobody has been complaining about this use of the term, so there seems to be general agreement that it's OK. I must admit that I can't remember when Kraken was first used in this context on this forum. Maybe someone with more knowledge of the history of this forum can provide a better answer.

Leren


Thanks Leren,

That clears up the mystery. "Kraken cell" has been an arcane term and I thought that the cell had some special properties, but it boils down to a fancier term for a triple implication chain. :lol:
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Re: October 15, 2015

Postby bat999 » Sun Oct 18, 2015 3:30 pm

I've revisited that Kraken Column.
The layout looks cluttered when the all the chains are shown together, but more compact than showing several layouts.
I suppose if there were four chains the format would be aA_aA.

Code: Select all
.------------------.-------------------.----------------.
|  a37     2   1   |  6     b57    9   | 4    8    357  |
|   78a    9   478 | b45b    3     2   | 6    1    57b  |
|   6      5   347 |  8      1     47  | 37   2    9    |
:------------------+-------------------+----------------:
|   2378A  46  378 |  239-4  2789  5   | 1    67   2368 |
|   5      1   78B |  23     78C   6   | 23   9    4    |
|   2378A  46  9   |  1      278   47C | 235  567  2368 |
:------------------+-------------------+----------------:
|   4      8   5   |  29     6     1   | 279  3    27   |
|   19     3   2   |  7      4     8   | 59   56   16   |
|   19     7   6   |  259    259   3   | 8    4    12   |
'------------------'-------------------'----------------'
Kraken Column 1 Digit 7
(7)r1c1 - (7=4)r1c5,r2c4
(7)r2c1 - (7=4)r2c49
(7)r46c1 - (7=8)r5c3 - (8=4)r5c5,r6c6
=> -4 r4c4; stte
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