November 24, 2018

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November 24, 2018

Postby ArkieTech » Sat Nov 24, 2018 12:29 pm

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 *-----------*
 |..8|..1|...|
 |.1.|.8.|...|
 |.7.|5..|.4.|
 |---+---+---|
 |3..|.2.|.56|
 |...|.5.|...|
 |29.|.6.|..4|
 |---+---+---|
 |.8.|..6|.2.|
 |...|.4.|.6.|
 |...|7..|8..|
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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby Cenoman » Sat Nov 24, 2018 1:44 pm

Code: Select all
 +--------------------+----------------------+-------------------+
 |  45    23    8     |  46      7    1      |  56   39    239   |
 |  459   1     234   |  23469   8    2349   |  56   7     23    |
 |  69    7    a236*  |  5      b39# a239*   |  1    4     8     |
 +--------------------+----------------------+-------------------+
 |  3     4     1     |  89      2    789    |  79   5     6     |
 |  8     6     7     |  349     5    349    |  2    139   139   |
 |  2     9     5     |  1       6   a37*    | a37*  8     4     |
 +--------------------+----------------------+-------------------+
 |  7     8     9-3   | d39      1    6      |  4    2     5     |
 |  1    a235* a239*  |  28      4    258    | a39*  6     7     |
 |  46    25    46    |  7      c39   25     |  8    139   139   |
 +--------------------+----------------------+-------------------+

Almost finned swordfish:
[FSF(3)r3c3^=r3c6-r6c6=r6c7-r8c7=r8c23] = (3)r3c5 - r9c5 = r7c4 => -3 r7c3; ste
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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby SpAce » Sat Nov 24, 2018 2:47 pm

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Code: Select all
.------------------.----------------------.-----------------.
| 45   23     8    |  46       7     1    |  56   39    239 |
| 459  1      234  |  23469    8     2349 |  56   7     23  |
| 69   7      26-3 |  5      a(3)9   29-3 |  1    4     8   |
:------------------+----------------------+-----------------:
| 3    4      1    |  89       2     789  |  79   5     6   |
| 8    6      7    |  349      5     349  |  2    139   139 |
| 2    9      5    |  1        6   d(3)7  | d37   8     4   |
:------------------+----------------------+-----------------:
| 7    8    d(3)9  | c39       1     6    |  4    2     5   |
| 1    235    239  |  28       4     258  | d39   6     7   |
| 46   25     46   |  7       b39    25   |  8   c139  c139 |
'------------------'----------------------'-----------------'

(3)r3c5 = r9c5 - r7c4,r9c89 = (3)r7c3&(3,7,3)r86c7,r6c6 => -3 r3c36; stte

Code: Select all
.------------------.---------------------.-----------------.
| 45   23     8    | 46       7     1    |  56   39    239 |
| 459  1      234  | 23469    8     2349 |  56   7     23  |
| 69   7      26-3 | 5      a(3)9   29-3 |  1    4     8   |
:------------------+---------------------+-----------------:
| 3    4      1    | 89       2     789  |  79   5     6   |
| 8    6      7    | 349      5     349  |  2    139   139 |
| 2    9      5    | 1        6   f(3)7  | e37   8     4   |
:------------------+---------------------+-----------------:
| 7    8    f(3)9  | 39       1     6    |  4    2     5   |
| 1   e235   e239  | 28       4     258  | d39   6     7   |
| 46   25     46   | 7       b39    25   |  8   c139  c139 |
'------------------'---------------------'-----------------'

(3)r3c5 = r9c5 - r9c89 = r8c7 - r8c23,r6c7 = (3)r7c3&r6c6 => -3 r3c36; stte
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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby eleven » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:03 pm

Code: Select all
 *---------------------------------------------------------------*
 |  45    23    8     |  46      7    1      |  56   39    239   |
 |  459   1     234   |  23469   8    2349   |  56   7     23    |
 |  69    7     236   |  5       39   239    |  1    4     8     |
 |--------------------+----------------------+-------------------|
 |  3     4     1     |  89      2    789    | #9+7   5     6    |
 |  8     6     7     |  4-39    5    349    |  2   @39+1 @39+1  |
 |  2     9     5     |  1       6    37     | #3+7  8     4     |
 |--------------------+----------------------+-------------------|
 |  7     8     39    | #39      1    6      |  4    2     5     |
 |  1     235   239   |  28      4    258    | @39   6     7     |
 |  46    25    46    |  7      @39   25     |  8   #39+1 #39+1  |
 *---------------------------------------------------------------*

Remote pair 39 => 4r5c4, stte
ab=39 (93): (a=b)r7c4-(b=a)r9c5-(a=b)r9c89-(b=a)r8c7-(a=b)r46c7-(b=a)r5c89 => -abr5c4
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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby SpAce » Sat Nov 24, 2018 3:52 pm

eleven wrote:Remote pair 39 => 4r5c4, stte
ab=39 (93): (a=b)r7c4-(b=a)r9c5-(a=b)r9c89-(b=a)r8c7-(a=b)r46c7-(b=a)r5c89 => -abr5c4

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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby SpAce » Sat Nov 24, 2018 5:06 pm

Cenoman wrote:Almost finned swordfish:
[FSF(3)r3c3^=r3c6-r6c6=r6c7-r8c7=r8c23] = (3)r3c5 - r9c5 = r7c4 => -3 r7c3; ste

Very nice! However, what is an almost finned fish? Logically that would be a fish that doesn't have any fins (but is perhaps soon growing them)! Your fish has two, so it's clearly a finned fish and not an almost finned fish :) Some might call one of them a "remote fin", but it's a fin nonetheless. In UFG terms, I think this might be a reasonably acceptable way to present your fish concisely:

Kraken Swordfish: (3)r368\c367 f:r8c2, rf:(r3c5 - r9c5 = r7c4) => -3 r7c3

We could also avoid any chains with the franken (or mutant) variety. For example:

Finned Franken Jellyfish: (3)r368b8\c3567 f:r7c4,r8c2 => -3 r7c3

Or my favorite without any fins:

Franken Jellyfish (4x6): (3)r368b8\c3567+r7b7 => -3 r7c3

PS. Just to be clear, I'm not criticizing your solution in any way! I thought it was great, and I'm sure no one had any trouble understanding what you meant with "almost finned swordfish". Strictly speaking, it's also a perfectly logical name since "finned" is a fishing synonym for "almost". Interpreted like that your term simply means "almost almost fish", which is what a doubly-finned fish is. I'm just saying that things have a tendency to get confusing when terms taken from different contexts are mixed freely, and that's why I'd personally stick to "finned" in the fishing context and use "almost" everywhere else.
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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby Ngisa » Sat Nov 24, 2018 6:24 pm

Code: Select all
+---------------------+-----------------------+--------------------+
| 45      23      8   | 46        7      1    | 56     39      239 |
| 459     1      h234 | 23469     8     i2349 | 56     7       23  |
|e69      7       236 | 5        d39     239  | 1      4       8   |
+---------------------+-----------------------+--------------------+
| 3       4       1   | 89        2      789  |n7-9    5       6   |
| 8       6       7   |k349       5     j34*9 | 2     ℓ139    ℓ139 |
| 2       9       5   | 1         6      37   |m37     8       4   |
+---------------------+-----------------------+--------------------+
| 7       8       39  |d39*       1      6    | 4      2       5   |
| 1       235     239 | 28        4      258  | a39    6       7   |
|f46      235    g46  | 7        c39     25   | 8     b139    b139 |
+---------------------+-----------------------+--------------------+

(9)r8c7 = r9c89 - r9c5 = (9*)r7c4&r3c5 - (9=6)r3c1 - r9c1 = (6-4)r9c3 = r2c3 - r2c6 = (4*)r5c6 - (4*9*=3)r5c4 - r5c89 = (3-7)r6c7 = (7)r4c7 => - 9r4c7; stte

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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby SteveG48 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:05 pm

eleven wrote:Remote pair 39 => 4r5c4, stte
ab=39 (93): (a=b)r7c4-(b=a)r9c5-(a=b)r9c89-(b=a)r8c7-(a=b)r46c7-(b=a)r5c89 => -abr5c4


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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby SpAce » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:31 pm

Ngisa wrote:(9)r8c7 = r9c89 - r9c5 = (9*)r7c4&r3c5 - (9=6)r3c1 - r9c1 = (6-4)r9c3 = r2c3 - r2c6 = (4*)r5c6 - (4*9*=3)r5c4 - r5c89 = (3-7)r6c7 = (7)r4c7 => - 9r4c7; stte

Nice! If you'd like, you could cut a few corners to make it a bit shorter. For example:

(9)r8c7 = r9c89 - r9c5 = (9*)r9c4&r3c5 - (9=623'4)b1p7926 - r2c6 = r5c6 - (4|*9=3)r5c4 - (3=19)r5c89 => -9 r4c7

or:

(9)r8c7 = r9c89 - r9c5 = (9*)r9c4&r3c5 - (9=623'4)b1p7926 - (4)r2c6 = r5c6 - (*9)r5c46 = (9)r5c89 => -9 r4c7
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Re: November 24, 2018

Postby SteveG48 » Sat Nov 24, 2018 8:39 pm

Code: Select all
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 45     23     8      |c46     7      1      | 56     39     239    |
 | 459    1     b234    |b23469  8    bd2349   | 56     7     b23     |
 | 69     7      236    | 5     a39    d239    | 1      4      8      |
 *----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 3      4      1      | 89     2      789    | 79     5      6      |
 | 8      6      7      | 349    5      349    | 2      139    139    |
 | 2      9      5      | 1      6     d37     |e37     8      4      |
 *----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 7      8      39     | 39     1      6      | 4      2      5      |
 | 1      235    239    | 28     4      258    |f39     6      7      |
 | 46     25     46     | 7      9-3    25     | 8     g139   g139    |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*


(3=9*)r3c5 - (9=2346)r2c3469 - (6=4)r1c4 - (4*9=237)r236c6 - (7=3)r6c7 - r8c7 = 3r89c9 => -3 r9c5 ; stte
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