March 7, 2015

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March 7, 2015

Postby ArkieTech » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:19 am

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 *-----------*
 |59.|..2|73.|
 |.4.|...|...|
 |..8|.9.|2.6|
 |---+---+---|
 |...|18.|...|
 |..1|5.6|8..|
 |...|.47|...|
 |---+---+---|
 |9.2|.5.|1..|
 |...|...|.8.|
 |.65|8..|.29|
 *-----------*


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Re: March 7, 2015

Postby Leren » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:31 am

Code: Select all
*--------------------------------------------------------------*
| 5     9     6      | 4     1     2      | 7     3     8      |
| 2     4     37     | 367   367   8      | 9     15    15     |
| 137   137   8      | 37    9     5      | 2     4     6      |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 6     2357  3479   | 1     8     39     |c345  b57    23457  |
| 347   237   1      | 5     23    6      | 8     9     2347   |
| 8     235   39     | 29    4     7      |c356   156   1235   |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 9     8     2      | 367   5     34     | 1    a67    347    |
| 1347  137   347    | 29    2367  1349   |d345-6 8     3457   |
| 1347  6     5      | 8     37    134    | 34    2     9      |
*--------------------------------------------------------------*

Grouped H3 Wing: (6=7) r7c8 - (7=5) r4c8 - r46c7 = (5) r8c7 => - 6 r8c7; stte

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Re: March 7, 2015

Postby SteveG48 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 12:47 am

Code: Select all
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 5      9      6      | 4      1      2      | 7      3      8      |
 | 2      4      37     | 367    367    8      | 9     a15    b15     |
 | 137    137    8      | 37     9      5      | 2      4      6      |
 *----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 6      2357   3479   | 1      8      39     | 345   a57     2345-7 |
 | 347    237    1      | 5      23     6      | 8      9      234-7  |
 | 8      235    39     | 29     4      7      | 356    156    1235   |
 *----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 9      8      2      | 367    5      34     | 1      6-7   c347    |
 | 1347   137    347    | 29     2367   1349   | 3456   8     c3457   |
 | 1347   6      5      | 8      37     134    |c34     2      9      |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*


2-petal death blossom:

(7=15)r24c8 - (1=5)r2c9 - (5=347)r78c9,r9c7 => -7 r45c9,r7c8 ; stte
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Re: March 7, 2015

Postby bat999 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:44 am

Code: Select all
.------------------.-----------------.---------------------.
| 5     9     6    | 4    1     2    |  7      3     8     |
| 2     4     37   | 367  367   8    |  9      15    15    |
| 137   137   8    | 37   9     5    |  2      4     6     |
:------------------+-----------------+---------------------:
| 6     2357  3479 | 1    8     39   | *345   *57    23457 |
| 347   237   1    | 5    23    6    |  8      9     2347  |
| 8     235   39   | 29   4     7    | *356    156   1235  |
:------------------+-----------------+---------------------:
| 9     8     2    | 367  5     34   |  1     *6-7   347   |
| 1347  137   347  | 29   2367  1349 | *3456   8     3457  |
| 1347  6     5    | 8    37    134  |  34     2     9     |
'------------------'-----------------'---------------------'


Hi
There's a problem if r7c8 is 7.

r7c8=7->r8c7=6
and
r7c8=7->r4c8=5->r46c7<>5->r8c7=5

=> - 7 r7c8; stte
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Last edited by bat999 on Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:50 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: March 7, 2015

Postby pjb » Sat Mar 07, 2015 2:50 am

Code: Select all
 5       9       6      | 4      1      2      | 7      3      8     
 2       4       37     | 367    367    8      | 9     a15     15     
 137     137     8      | 37     9      5      | 2      4      6     
------------------------+----------------------+---------------------
 6       2357    3479   | 1      8      39     |b345    7-5    23457 
 347     237     1      | 5      23     6      | 8      9      2347   
 8       235     39     | 29     4      7      |b356   a156    1235   
------------------------+----------------------+---------------------
 9       8       2      | 367    5      34     | 1      67     347   
 1347    137     347    | 29     2367   1349   | 3456   8      3457   
 1347    6       5      | 8      37     134    |b34     2      9     

(5=6)r26c8 - (6=5)r469c7 => -5 r4c8; stte

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Re: March 7, 2015

Postby gurth » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:03 pm

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CW: see diagram.
Comments: The chain ends at (s), i.e. after placing red or blue digits in 18 cells. The chain ends as all blues are dead in cell (s), so all reds are true and solve the puzzle.
Several of the placings are not used for this result, and could be pruned from the chain... but that adds to the overall work and can be rejected for that reason. Or else done if a short solution is preferred to a long one.
In hindsight it is easy to do this, but not before knowing how the puzzle would end.

P.S. I am going to post the pruned chain! Here it is:
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Re: March 7, 2015

Postby gurth » Sat Mar 07, 2015 3:11 pm

- The brilliant 4-cell solution (Leren and Bat) will be hard to beat!
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Re: March 7, 2015

Postby daj95376 » Sat Mar 07, 2015 6:30 pm

These Wings generate eliminations without any further consideration.

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L3-Wing:  (X)a = (X-Y)b = (Y-Z)c = (Z)d     "a" and "d" in same unit; a<>Z, d<>X

H1-Wing:  same as L3-Wing
H2-Wing:  (X=Y)a - (Y)b = (Y-Z)c = (Z)d     "a" and "d" in same unit; a<>Z, d<>X
H3-Wing:  (X=Y)a - (Y=Z)b - (Z)c = (Z)d     "a" and "d" in same unit; a<>Z, d<>X

However, there is another pattern that (probably) would have been used in the "olden days" for this puzzle. It occurs when an SL for X exists between cells "a" and "d". (note: the SL is not always present.)

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Discontinuous Loop L3:  (X)a = (X-Y)b = (Y-Z)c = (Z-X)d = (X)a

Discontinuous Loop H1:  same as L3
Discontinuous Loop H2:  (X=Y)a - (Y)b = (Y-Z)c = (Z-X)d = (X)a
Discontinuous Loop H3:  (X=Y)a - (Y=Z)b - (Z)c = (Z-X)d = (X)a

For this puzzle, the discontinuous loop accounts for Leren's elimination and bat999's elimination ... and for -6 r6c8,r7c4.

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 (6=7)r7c8 - (7=5)r4c8 - r46c7 = (5-6)r8c7 = (6)r7c8

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Re: March 7, 2015

Postby gurth » Sun Mar 08, 2015 5:54 am

Please note, I have now edited my CW solution to show the pruned version as well
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