March 24, 2014

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March 24, 2014

Postby ArkieTech » Sun Mar 23, 2014 11:14 pm

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 *-----------*
 |...|.7.|8..|
 |5..|6..|..9|
 |.3.|.98|7.5|
 |---+---+---|
 |..1|7..|5.3|
 |...|...|...|
 |3.4|..9|6..|
 |---+---+---|
 |2.3|95.|.4.|
 |1..|..6|..8|
 |..6|.2.|...|
 *-----------*


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Re: March 24, 2014

Postby Leren » Mon Mar 24, 2014 12:27 am

Code: Select all
*--------------------------------------------------------------*
| 46    1     9      | 234   7     5      | 8     36    24     |
| 5     7     8      | 6     134   23-4   | 24    13    9      |
| 46    3     2      |b14    9     8      | 7     16    5      |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 8     69    1      | 7     46   a24     | 5     29    3      |
| 7     69    5      |b123   136  a23     | 249   8     24     |
| 3     2     4      | 5     8     9      | 6     7     1      |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 2     8     3      | 9     5     7      | 1     4     6      |
| 1     5     7      | 34    34    6      | 29    29    8      |
| 9     4     6      | 8     2     1      | 3     5     7      |
*--------------------------------------------------------------*

(4=23) r45c6 - (23=14) r35c4 => - 4 r2c6; stte

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Re: March 24, 2014

Postby SteveG48 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:11 am

Code: Select all
 *--------------------------------------------------*
 | 46   1    9    | 234  7    5    | 8    36   24   |
 | 5    7    8    | 6 bce134  234  | 24   13   9    |
 | 46   3    2    |d14   9    8    | 7    16   5    |
 *----------------+----------------+----------------|
 | 8    69   1    | 7   a6-4  24   | 5    29   3    |
 | 7    69   5    | 123  136  23   | 249  8    24   |
 | 3    2    4    | 5    8    9    | 6    7    1    |
 *----------------+----------------+----------------|
 | 2    8    3    | 9    5    7    | 1    4    6    |
 | 1    5    7    |c34  b34   6    | 29   29   8    |
 | 9    4    6    | 8    2    1    | 3    5    7    |
 *--------------------------------------------------*


This one works by establishing an empty cell (no candidates) contradiction at r2c5:

(4)r4c5 - r2c5|(4=3)r8c5 - r2c5|(3=4)r8c4 - (4=1)r3c4 - r2c5 => -4 r4c5 ; stte
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Re: March 24, 2014

Postby pjb » Mon Mar 24, 2014 2:13 am

Code: Select all
46     1      9      | 24-3   7      5      | 8     d36     24     
5      7      8      | 6      134    234    | 24     13     9     
46     3      2      |b14     9      8      | 7     c16     5     
---------------------+----------------------+---------------------
8      69     1      | 7      46     24     | 5      29     3     
7      69     5      | 123    136    23     | 249    8      24     
3      2      4      | 5      8      9      | 6      7      1     
---------------------+----------------------+---------------------
2      8      3      | 9      5      7      | 1      4      6     
1      5      7      |a34     34     6      | 29     29     8     
9      4      6      | 8      2      1      | 3      5      7     


(3=4)r8c4 - (4=1)r3c4 - (1=6)r3c8 - (6=3)r1c8 => -3 r1c4; stte

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Re: March 24, 2014

Postby Ngisa » Mon Mar 24, 2014 10:14 am

Code: Select all
+---------+-------------+-----------+
| 46 1  9 | *234 7   5   | 8   36 *24 |
| 5  7  8 | 6   134 234 | 24  13 9  |
| 46 3  2 | 1-4  9   8   | 7   16 5  |
+---------+-------------+-----------+
| 8  69 1 | 7   46  24  | 5   29 3  |
| 7  69 5 | *123 136 3-2  |49-2 8  *24 |
| 3  2  4 | 5   8   9   | 6   7  1  |
+---------+-------------+-----------+
| 2  8  3 | 9   5   7   | 1   4  6  |
| 1  5  7 | 34  34  6   | 29  29 8  |
| 9  4  6 | 8   2   1   | 3   5  7  |
+---------+-------------+-----------+
X-Wing on 2 in col 49 => -2r5c67 leads to
BUG+2, 4 is either in r1c4 or r2c5, If r1c4=4, then r3c4=1, If r2c5=4, then r3c4=1 => -4r3c4; stte.
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Re: March 24, 2014

Postby Marty R. » Mon Mar 24, 2014 3:41 pm

Identical XY-Chain as Phil's
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Re: March 24, 2014

Postby daj95376 » Mon Mar 24, 2014 4:34 pm

Leren wrote:
Code: Select all
*--------------------------------------------------------------*
| 46    1     9      | 234   7     5      | 8     36    24     |
| 5     7     8      | 6     134   23-4   | 24    13    9      |
| 46    3     2      |b14    9     8      | 7     16    5      |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 8     69    1      | 7     46   a24     | 5     29    3      |
| 7     69    5      |b123   136  a23     | 249   8     24     |
| 3     2     4      | 5     8     9      | 6     7     1      |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 2     8     3      | 9     5     7      | 1     4     6      |
| 1     5     7      | 34    34    6      | 29    29    8      |
| 9     4     6      | 8     2     1      | 3     5     7      |
*--------------------------------------------------------------*

(4=23) r45c6 - (23=14) r35c4 => - 4 r2c6; stte

Hmmm! Alternate notation to consider: (4=231) r45c6,r5c4 - (1=4) r3c4 => - 4 r2c6; stte



Speaking of notation, why do we use alternate ways to express and ALS?

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 (34=2)r18c4 - (2=ALS=4)r2c856  =>  -4 r3c4

 (34=2)r18c4 - (2 = 134)r2c856  =>  -4 r3c4

In both examples, the first term is an ALS that isn't specifically identified ... and probably everyone would use it.

However, the choice for the second term would probably vary depending on who uses it. Is there a correct choice for the second term?

Before you answer, consider instead that an XY-Wing performed r2c6<>2. Would the resulting Naked Triple r2c568 account for r3c4<>4?

When you consider the Naked Triple interpretation, the second example would need to become:

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 (34=2)r18c4 - (2=134)r2c856 - 4r2c7 = 4r2c56  =>  -4 r3c4


Did I ever mention that I took a long time to accept the scope of candidates in an ALS expression? ___ :twisted: _
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Re: March 24, 2014

Postby ArkieTech » Mon Mar 24, 2014 5:21 pm

daj95376 wrote:Speaking of notation, why do we use alternate ways to express and ALS?
Did I ever mention that I took a long time to accept the scope of candidates in an ALS expression? ___ :twisted: _


I still haven't. :? trying to force truth to a fixed pattern or almost condition confuses me. (a=b)setlocation remove a and you have b.

(4=1)r3c4-(1=4)r5c46,r4c6 => -4r2c6; ste
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