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July 4, 2019

Postby ArkieTech » Thu Jul 04, 2019 11:08 am

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 *-----------*
 |.96|..3|..1|
 |1..|629|.8.|
 |4..|.8.|...|
 |---+---+---|
 |.2.|..6|...|
 |..4|.1.|6..|
 |...|3..|.1.|
 |---+---+---|
 |...|.6.|..9|
 |.4.|295|..6|
 |6..|7..|25.|
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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby Cenoman » Thu Jul 04, 2019 12:36 pm

Code: Select all
 +------------------+---------------------+------------------------+
 |  8    9     6    |  45     457   3     |  57      2     1       |
 |  1    357   35   |  6      2     9     |  3457    8     3457    |
 |  4    357   2    |  15     8     17    |  9       6     357     |
 +------------------+---------------------+------------------------+
 |  35   2     1    |  4589  c457   6     |  34578   479   34578   |
 | a35   8     4    | b59     1    c27    |  6       79   a357-2   |
 |  9    6     7    |  3     c45    248   |  458     1     2458    |
 +------------------+---------------------+------------------------+
 |  2    35    35   |  148    6     148   |  478     47    9       |
 |  7    4     8    |  2      9     5     |  1       3     6       |
 |  6    1     9    |  7      3     48    |  2       5     48      |
 +------------------+---------------------+------------------------+

(35)r5c19 = (5)r5c4 - (547=2)b5p268 => -2 r5c9; ste
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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby SpAce » Thu Jul 04, 2019 1:31 pm

Code: Select all
.-------------.-------------------.---------------------.
| 8   9    6  | 45    c457   3    | d57     2     1     |
| 1   357  35 | 6      2     9    |  3457   8     3457  |
| 4   357  2  | 15     8     17   |  9      6     357   |
:-------------+-------------------+---------------------:
| 35  2    1  | 4589  b457   6    |  34578  479   34578 |
| 35  8    4  | 59     1    a2[7] |  6      9-7   2357  |
| 9   6    7  | 3      45    248  |  458    1     2458  |
:-------------+-------------------+---------------------:
| 2   35   35 | 148    6     148  | e478   f4(7)  9     |
| 7   4    8  | 2      9     5    |  1      3     6     |
| 6   1    9  | 7      3     48   |  2      5     48    |
'-------------'-------------------'---------------------'

Extended Turbot Crane:

(7)r5c6 = r4c5 - r1c5 = r1c7 - r7c7 = (7)r7c8 => -7 r5c8; stte

aka Obi-Swordfish: 7:r17b5\r5c578 => -7 r5c8; stte

or (UFG) Finned Franken Swordfish: 7:r17b5\c578 f:r5c6

That's such a boring solution that now I can finally start my vacation :D I won't even look at tomorrow's puzzle. I promise.

Edit: added the UFG name and form, removed the "mutant"-qualifier from the obi-fish (not sure what it should be, if any).
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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby SteveG48 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:20 pm

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 *---------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 8      9      6      |ae45   ae457    3      | 7-5    2      1      |
 | 1      357    35     |  6      2      9      | 3457   8      3457   |
 | 4      357    2      | b1-5    8     e17     | 9      6      357    |
 *----------------------+-----------------------+----------------------|
 | 35     2      1      |  4589   457    6      | 34578  479    34578  |
 | 35     8      4      | c59     1     d27     | 6     c79     2357   |
 | 9      6      7      |  3      45     248    | 458    1      2458   |
 *----------------------+-----------------------+----------------------|
 | 2      35     35     |  148    6      148    | 478    47     9      |
 | 7      4      8      |  2      9      5      | 1      3      6      |
 | 6      1      9      |  7      3      48     | 2      5      48     |
 *---------------------------------------------------------------------*


5r1c45 = r3c4 - (5=79)r5c48 - 7r5c6 = (457)b2p129 => -5 r1c7,r3c4 ; stte
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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby Ngisa » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:35 pm

Code: Select all
+-----------------+--------------------+-----------------------+
| 8     9      6  | 45      457    3   | 457      2      1     |
| 1     357    35 | 6       2      9   | 3457     8      3457  |
| 4     357    2  |c15      8     d17  | 9        6      357   |
+-----------------+--------------------+-----------------------+
| 35    2      1  | 4589    457    6   | 34578    479    34578 |
| 35    8      4  |b59      1      2-7 | 6       a79     2357  |
| 9     6      7  | 3       45     248 | 458      1      2458  |
+-----------------+--------------------+-----------------------+
| 2     35     35 | 148     6      148 | 478      47     9     |
| 7     4      8  | 2       9      5   | 1        3      6     |
| 6     1      9  | 7       3      48  | 2        5      48    |
+-----------------+--------------------+-----------------------+

XY Chain
(7=9)r5c8 - (9=5)r5c4 -(5=1)r3c4 - (1=7)r3c6 => - 7r5c6; stte

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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby Sudtyro2 » Thu Jul 04, 2019 2:56 pm

Code: Select all
+--------------+-----------------+------------------+
| 8   9   6    |  45   457  3    | 57     2   1     |
| 1   357 35   |  6    2    9    | 3457   8   3457  |
| 4   357 2    | b15   8   a17   | 9      6   357   |
+--------------+-----------------+------------------+
| 35  2   1    |  4589 457  6    | 34578  479 34578 |
| 35  8   4    | b59   1   a27   | 6     a79  2357  |
| 9   6   7    |  3    45   248  | 458    1   2458  |
+--------------+-----------------+------------------+
| 2   35  35   |  148  6    148  | 478    47  9     |
| 7   4   8    |  2    9    5    | 1      3   6     |
| 6   1   9    |  7    3    48   | 2      5   48    |
+--------------+- ---------------+------------------+

I think this logic is right...
Myth's CoALS rule applied to the two overlapping ALS tagged (a).
(27=19)r35c6,r5c8 - (1|9=5)r35c4[contradiction] => +2 r5c6; stte

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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby Cenoman » Thu Jul 04, 2019 4:43 pm

SteveG48 wrote:5r1c45 = r3c4 - (5=79)r5c48 - 7r5c6 = (457)b2p129 => -5 r1c7,r3c4 ; stte

Your eliminations are redundant (5r1c7 and 5r3c4 have obviously the same parity) So with 5r3c4 as a target, you could shorten your chain to:
(5=79)r5c48 - 7r5c6 = (457)b2p129 => -5 r3c4 ; stte
No comment on your last node ;)
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...why not (59=7)r5c48 - r5c6 = (71)r3c46 => -5 r3c4 ; stte ?

Sudtyro2 wrote:I think this logic is right...
(27=19)r35c6,r5c8 - (1|9=5)r35c4[contradiction] => +2 r5c6; stte

To me this logic is right, and moreover, very nice !
Note that the simple version of this is Clement's XY-chain...

Everyone refrained to mention the most simple (boring ?) solution:
Finned swordfish (7)r147c578 + fin r4c9 => -7 r5c8; ste
So, my turn for a needlessly complex solution:
Code: Select all
 +------------------+---------------------+------------------------+
 |  8    9     6    |  45     457   3     |  57      2     1       |
 |  1    357   35   |  6      2     9     |  3457    8     3457    |
 |  4    357   2    |  15     8     17    |  9       6     357     |
 +------------------+---------------------+------------------------+
 |  35   2     1    |  4589   457   6     |  34578   479   34578   |
 |  35   8     4    |  59     1     27    |  6       79    2357    |
 |  9    6     7    |  3      45    248*  |  458*    1     2458    |
 +------------------+---------------------+------------------------+
 |  2    35    35   |  148*   6     148   |  478*    47    9       |
 |  7    4     8    |  2      9     5     |  1       3     6       |
 |  6    1     9    |  7      3     48*   |  2       5     48      |
 +------------------+---------------------+------------------------+
5-link bivalue oddagon (48)b8p19,r6c67,r7c7 (using internals)
(1)r7c4 - r3c4 = (1-7)r3c6 = (7)r5c6
(2)r6c6 - (2=7)r5c6
(5)r6c7 - (5=7)r1c7 - r23c9 = (7)r45c9
(7)r7c7 - r1c7 = r1c5 - r4c5 = (7)r5c6
=> -7 r5c8; ste
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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby rjamil » Thu Jul 04, 2019 5:50 pm

Code: Select all
.96..3..11..629.8.4...8.....2...6.....4.1.6.....3...1.....6...9.4.295..66..7..25.
 +-------------+------------------+----------------------+
 | 8   9    6  | 45    457    3   | 57      2     1      |
 | 1   357  35 | 6     2      9   | 3457    8     3457   |
 | 4   357  2  | 15    8      17  | 9       6     357    |
 +-------------+------------------+----------------------+
 | 35  2    1  | 4589  (457)  6   | 3458-7  49-7  3458-7 |
 | 35  8    4  | (59)  1      2-7 | 6       (79)  2357   |
 | 9   6    7  | 3     (45)   248 | 458     1     2458   |
 +-------------+------------------+----------------------+
 | 2   35   35 | 148   6      148 | 478     47    9      |
 | 7   4    8  | 2     9      5   | 1       3     6      |
 | 6   1    9  | 7     3      48  | 2       5     48     |
 +-------------+------------------+----------------------+

WXYZ-Wing: 4579 @ r5c48 r46c5 => -7 @ r5c6 r4c789; stte
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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby SpAce » Thu Jul 04, 2019 7:41 pm

Cenoman wrote:Everyone refrained to mention the most simple (boring ?) solution:
Finned swordfish (7)r147c578 + fin r4c9 => -7 r5c8; ste

Perhaps because it's neither the simplest nor the most boring? :) I would still argue that my non-grouped X-Chain wins in both categories. A finned swordfish may traditionally have a low rank in many pattern hierarchies (*), but in practice it's not easy to spot for a manual solver or even objectively a simple pattern. However, this one is not so bad because it's findable as a chain (basically an extended Grouped Skyscraper; just change the first node of my chain to (7)r4c789), but it's still harder and more complex than a simple X-Chain of the same length (or practically any length, imho). Of course the fish form is simpler in this case (finned basic vs finned franken), which matters if someone actually looks for fishes before chains.

(*) Added. Now that I actually checked, that's true about Hodoku's default hierarchy (Finned Swordfish before X-Chain) but in SudokuWiki it's the other way around. I definitely side with SudokuWiki on this one, which rarely happens. Fortunately Hodoku's hierarchy can be tuned to match reality / one's preferences.

Btw, I'm glad to see many not-so-boring solutions -- including rarities such as the CoALS and the bivalue oddagon!

Edit 2: mutant -> franken
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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby Leren » Thu Jul 04, 2019 9:30 pm

Code: Select all
*------------------------------------------------*
| 8  9   6  | 45    457   3   | 57     2   1     |
| 1  357 35 | 6     2     9   | 3457   8   3457  |
| 4  357 2  | 15    8     17  | 9      6   357   |
|-----------+-----------------+------------------|
| 35 2   1  | 4589 e7-45  6   | 34578  479 34578 |
| 35 8   4  |b59    1    d27  | 6     c79  2357  |
| 9  6   7  | 3    a45    248 | 458    1   2458  |
|-----------+-----------------+------------------|
| 2  35  35 | 148   6     148 | 478    47  9     |
| 7  4   8  | 2     9     5   | 1      3   6     |
| 6  1   9  | 7     3     48  | 2      5   48    |
*------------------------------------------------*

(4=5) r6c5 - (5=9) r5c4 - (9=7) r5c8 - r5c6 = (7) r4c5 => - 45 r4c5; stte

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Re: July 4, 2019

Postby SpAce » Thu Jul 04, 2019 10:02 pm

Leren wrote:(4=5) r6c5 - (5=9) r5c4 - (9=7) r5c8 - r5c6 = (7) r4c5 => - 45 r4c5; stte

Thumbs up for a creative way to mark the subchain! Perhaps a different color, though? At first it looked like you'd marked errors in your own chain! :) I like the idea anyway!
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