## In the times

All about puzzles in newspapers, magazines, and books

### In the times

In the times newspaper at this address
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,18209-1617487,00.html

I do not think the sudoku can be done if anyone can do it let me know how
you can use a solver which will solve but no idea how it gets the answers seems to me you have to guess on a few lines I have found no way of completing this one.

R B Chitty
http://www.timesonline.co.uk/article/0,,18209-1617487,00.html
springman1961

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### In the times

# 148 - May 19, 2005 can be solved.

Post how far you have gotten, then you will be given hints.

Visit: Steps to Solve Su Doku Puzzles
http://www.easysurf.cc/su-doku.htm
Guest

Perhaps you should bother to look at the other threads in this forum? and perhaps you should post the date and the number of the puzzle aswell?

And the puzzle sure can be solved...
Animator

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Pappocom asserts that all his puzzles are solveable with logic... and he's not been shown wrong yet. (OK, so the original post said without logic... whoops!)

Either look at the other threads about this puzzle, or try using one of the solvers that can show you how it was done.
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simes

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simes wrote:Pappocom asserts that all his puzzles are solveable without logic... and he's not been shown wrong yet.

I think you mean, he asserts that they're all solvable with logic alone!
shakers

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ahem... thanks. I've corrected the post. Note to self: don't post when in a hurry.
simes

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It is soluble. You should reach a point where there are no obvious further solutions, but (amongst others) the first and fourth cells in the second column are both empty but either will accept 5 or 6 (but both have to be different). Trying 6 in the top row leads to a dead end. Trying 5 leads to a solution.
Mark Williams

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Mark,

That would be regarded as trial-and-error (T&E), and, while a perfectly valid technique, Pappocom's puzzles don't require it. There's always a solution available without resorting to T&E.
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simes

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I have contacted other sudoku sites and they say this one can not be done with logic u have to guess or trial and error.
so not a true puzzle.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~thompp/Games/sudoku.html
springman1961

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springman1961 wrote:I have contacted other sudoku sites and they say this one can not be done with logic u have to guess or trial and error.
so not a true puzzle.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~thompp/Games/sudoku.html

If it's a Pappocom puzzle, I think it's a case of you not knowing or understanding the logical to apply to it yet. We've all been there, and it's infuriating, but very satisfying when it finally clicks!
shakers

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springman1961 wrote:I have contacted other sudoku sites and they say this one can not be done with logic u have to guess or trial and error.
so not a true puzzle.
http://www.users.globalnet.co.uk/~thompp/Games/sudoku.html

I already solved that puzzle seven times (please, don't make me solve it an eight time) in the process of helping people. I never guessed a single number.