## help - very hard

Advanced methods and approaches for solving Sudoku puzzles

### help - very hard

I have the following in a column

{17}{8}{2}{4}{12567}{3567}{367}{9}{367}

Question : does the combination 3567 in cells 5,6,7,9 allow me to remove 1 as a candidate in cell 5?

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No. If you are looking for a quad, the four numbers in the quad must appear only in four cells. However, in your example the candidate 7 appears in five cells.
scrose

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Thanks. I'll keep looking

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OK, I must be blind. I am not seeing a way to move forwrd here.

*64 3** 8*9
895 4** 7**
2*3 **9 ***

4*9 2*8 36*
*** *9* *8*
*8* **4 9*1

*** 9** 5*8
958 **7 *4*
**1 **5 *9*

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BadCujo wrote:OK, I must be blind. I am not seeing a way to move forwrd here.

Look for what I call naked pairs and naked triples .
angusj

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First take a really good look at box 2.
Then take a reallly good look at row 3.
Look at box 3, and decided what it means for column 8.
Look at column 8 and fill in a number in column 7.
Animator

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OK. One step at a time.
In box three I see 3 cells only that can contain a 5,7 or 8

Based on that I can remove the 1's 2's and 6's from those cells?

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previous post.... I meant box 2.... sorry

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That is correct.

(Note though that you can come to the same conclusion by looking at the numbers 1, 2 and 6)
Animator

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BadCujo wrote:OK. One step at a time.
In box three I see 3 cells only that can contain a 5,7 or 8
Based on that I can remove the 1's 2's and 6's from those cells?

Yes, that's right - you've got it. Also, note that the 1s, 2s and 6s form a 'naked triple' in that box - I often find them easier to spot than the 'hidden triple' you found.
angusj

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Ahhhhh! I see that now. When I cover my right eye I see the 126.... I had my left eye covered at the time ;-)

I now see the pair 46 in box 3 to eliminate the 1 in c7 & 5 in c9 and also the 6 in r2c9 (i was using both eyes)