## Help!!!

Post the puzzle or solving technique that's causing you trouble and someone will help

### Help!!!

I'm stuck here.Any suggestion??

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`. 1 . | . . 4 | . 9 5 . . . | 9 5 1 | . 6 8 6 5 9 | 2 3 8 | 1 4 7 ------+-------+------- . 9 . | 3 . . | . 5 2 . . 4 | 8 . 5 | 9 7 . 5 . . | . 9 2 | . 3 . ------+-------+------- 9 . 2 | . 8 . | 5 1 3 1 . . | 5 2 3 | . 8 9 . . 5 | 1 . 9 | . 2 . `
Kent

Posts: 98
Joined: 28 February 2006

You will probably need to jot down the candidates from here, as there are several box/line eliminations and a few nakes sets to uncover before the rest folds.
vidarino

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Joined: 02 January 2006

You only need a hidden pair (or one of 2 naked triples) and singles.
ravel

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Joined: 21 February 2006

where's the hidden pair?? Cant sem to find it
Kent

Posts: 98
Joined: 28 February 2006

Kent,

You've got to start posting your questions with a candidate grid so we know how far along you are. Just giving the solved cells doesn't tell us which candidate eliminations you've made. You can use any number of software apps to create a grid for you. This particular puzzle would be *very* challenging for most without pencilmarks.

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`  *--------------------------------------------------------------------* | 2378   1      378    | 67     67     4      | 23     9      5      | | 2347   2347   37     | 9      5      1      | 23     6      8      | | 6      5      9      | 2      3      8      | 1      4      7      | |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------| | 78     9      1678   | 3      1467   67     | 468    5      2      | | 23     236    4      | 8      16     5      | 9      7      16     | | 5      678    1678   | 467    9      2      | 468    3      146    | |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------| | 9      467    2      | 467    8      67     | 5      1      3      | | 1      467    67     | 5      2      3      | 467    8      9      | | 3478   34678  5      | 1      467    9      | 467    2      46     | *--------------------------------------------------------------------*`

One you've a complete grid, there are a lot of deductions available all at the same time.

A) Naked pair in row 1.
B) Naked pair in row 5.
C) Locked candidates in column 3/box 1
D) Naked triple in row 9 and box 7
E) Hidden pair (or Naked quad) in box 4
F) X-wing in 3's (gives same deductions as (C))

tso

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Joined: 22 June 2005

Can I know where can i get the candidate grid??
Kent

Posts: 98
Joined: 28 February 2006

Kent wrote:Can I know where can i get the candidate grid??

Eh, what kind of question is that? You will probably have to work it out yourself. It's just a simple list of which numbers can go where.

If you really don't want to do it yourself, I suggest you enter your puzzle into a solver program, and it will most likely be able to list candidates for you.
vidarino

Posts: 295
Joined: 02 January 2006

I tried with simple sudoku.I could paste it here but the candidates won't appear here.Jus the clues.
Kent

Posts: 98
Joined: 28 February 2006

Kent wrote:I tried with simple sudoku.I could paste it here but the candidates won't appear here.Jus the clues.

I don't mean this in a bad way, but what are you talking about?

Simple Sudoku:-- EDIT, COPY, PASTE:

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` *-----------* |3..|..9|876| |1..|...|.3.| |..7|..6|..4| |---+---+---| |..3|..5|7..| |2..|.4.|..5| |..6|2..|4..| |---+---+---| |9..|4..|2..| |.3.|...|..7| |621|7..|..3| *-----------*  *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* | 3       45      245     | 15      125     9       | 8       7       6       | | 1       45689   24589   | 58      2578    2478    | 59      3       29      | | 58      589     7       | 1358    12358   6       | 159     1259    4       | |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------| | 48      1489    3       | 1689    1689    5       | 7       12689   1289    | | 2       1789    89      | 13689   4       1378    | 1369    1689    5       | | 578     15789   6       | 2       13789   1378    | 4       189     189     | |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------| | 9       578     58      | 4       13568   138     | 2       1568    18      | | 458     3       458     | 15689   125689  128     | 1569    145689  7       | | 6       2       1       | 7       589     8       | 59      4589    3       | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*`

Kent, I beseech think a little longer before posting for questions that verge on "where are my keys?" Read the forum. Read through the free tutorials. Read the manuals. Use the search facility. Work through the examples. Read the replies to your posts.

Please spend some time with these lists of SOLVING GUIDES and a TECHNIQUE indexes:

http://www.setbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=379&mforum=sudoku

and

http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?t=3315

Below are several other software and web choices for candidate grid creation. There are also many other software apps and websites that will do this, though not all of them will allow easy export or copy/paste.

Sudoku Susser: Select TEXT, POSSIBLITY LIST or one of several other choices, then shift-drag the diagram to an open wordpad doc (windows version):

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`+-------+-------+-------+| . . . | 4 . 2 | . . . | | . 4 . | 8 3 6 | . . 1 | | . . . | . . 5 | 8 6 . | +-------+-------+-------+| 2 3 1 | . . . | . 7 8 | | . 8 . | . . . | . 3 . | | 7 5 . | . . . | 2 1 6 | +-------+-------+-------+| . . 2 | 9 . . | . . . | | . . 5 | 2 1 3 | . 8 . | | . 1 . | 5 . 7 | . . . | +-------+-------+-------++----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+| 135689 679    36789  | 4      79     2      | 3579   59     3579   | | 59     4      79     | 8      3      6      | 579    259    1      | | 139    279    379    | 17     79     5      | 8      6      23479  | +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+| 2      3      1      | 6      4569   49     | 459    7      8      | | 469    8      469    | 167    245679 149    | 459    3      459    | | 7      5      49     | 3      489    489    | 2      1      6      | +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+| 3468   67     2      | 9      468    48     | 134567 45     3457   | | 469    679    5      | 2      1      3      | 4679   8      479    | | 34689  1      34689  | 5      468    7      | 3469   249    2349   | +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+`

I believe SadMan Sudoku will also accomodate this -- I don't have it installed.

Sudo Cue EDIT, COPY CLUES, COPY MARKS:

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`. . .|. . .|3 . .7 . 1|2 . .|. 9 4. 6 .|. . 9|8 . .-----+-----+-----. . .|. 9 4|. . .. 3 9|. 2 .|5 6 .. . .|1 5 .|. . .-----+-----+-----. . 5|6 . .|. 7 .6 4 .|. . 8|2 . 3. . 8|. . .|. . ..------------------.------------------.------------------.| 24589 2589  24   | 4578  14678 1567 | 3     125   12567|| 7     58    1    | 2     368   356  | 6     9     4    || 2345  6     234  | 3457  1347  9    | 8     125   1257 |:------------------+------------------+------------------:| 1258  12578 267  | 378   9     4    | 17    1238  1278 || 148   3     9    | 78    2     7    | 5     6     178  || 248   278   2467 | 1     5     367  | 479   2348  2789 |:------------------+------------------+------------------:| 1239  129   5    | 6     134   123  | 149   7     189  || 6     4     7    | 579   17    8    | 2     15    3    || 1239  1279  8    | 34579 1347  12357| 1469  145   1569 |'------------------'------------------'------------------'`

Into Sudoku:COPY WITH CANDIDATES:

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` . . . | 2 . . | 9 4 . 2 . 6 | . 8 . | . . . . 5 1 | 7 . . | . . .-------+-------+------ . 1 5 | . . 4 | . 6 . . 8 . | . 6 . | . 5 . . 4 . | 8 . . | 3 9 .-------+-------+------ . . . | . . 8 | 1 3 . . . . | . 1 . | 6 . 8 . 6 8 | . . 2 | . . . 378    37     37     | 2      35     1356   | 9      4      13567  2      379    6      | 13459  8      1359   | 57     17     1357   3489   5      1      | 7      349    369    | 28     28     236   ----------------------+----------------------+---------------------- 379    1      5      | 39     2379   4      | 278    6      27     379    8      2379   | 139    6      1379   | 247    5      1247   67     4      27     | 8      257    157    | 3      9      127   ----------------------+----------------------+---------------------- 4579   279    2479   | 4569   4579   8      | 1      3      24579  34579  2379   23479  | 3459   1      3579   | 6      27     8      134579 6      8      | 3459   34579  2      | 457    7      4579  `

Sudoku Assistant/Solver -- Learn As you Go -- no download required, just cut and paste from the webpage:

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`   |---c1--|---c2--|---c3--||---c4--|---c5--|---c6--||---c7---|---c8--|---c9---------------------------------------------------------------------------------- r1 |     9 |   134 |   138 ||     2 |  1367 |   137 ||   1678 |     5 |   1678---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r2 |    15 |     7 |     6 ||   359 |   135 |     8 ||    129 |     4 |     19---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r3 |   158 |    15 |  1258 ||     4 |  1567 |   179 || 126789 | 12689 |      3===========================||=======================||========================= r4 |   578 |     6 | 35789 ||     1 | 23578 |   237 ||   2389 |   289 |      4---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r5 |   178 |    13 |     4 ||    37 |     9 |   237 ||      5 |  1268 |    168---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r6 |     2 |  1359 | 13589 ||    35 |  3458 |     6 ||   1389 |     7 |    189===========================||=======================||========================= r7 |     3 |   159 |  1579 ||   679 |  1267 |     4 ||  16789 |  1689 | 156789---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r8 |  1567 |     2 |  1579 ||     8 |   167 |   179 ||      4 |     3 |  15679---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r9 |  1467 |     8 |   179 ||  3679 |  1367 |     5 ||   1679 |   169 |      2...............................................................................`
tso

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Sorry bout that tso.I forgot to click start thats why it couldnt copy from simple sudoku.This is where i'm stuck.

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`*--------------------------------------------------------------------*  | 28   1      38      | 67     67     4      | 23     9      5      |  | 247   247   37      | 9      5      1      | 23     6      8      |  | 6      5     9      | 2      3      8      | 1      4      7      |  |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|  | 78     9      1678   | 3      1467   67     | 468    5      2      |  | 23     23    4       | 8      16     5      | 9      7      16     |  | 5      678    1678   | 467    9      2      | 468    3      146    |  |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|  | 9      467    2      | 467    8      67     | 5      1      3      |  | 1      467    67     | 5      2      3      | 467    8      9      |  | 38      38    5      | 1      467    9      | 467    2      46     |  *--------------------------------------------------------------------* `
Kent

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Joined: 28 February 2006

### Help!!!

Kent wrote:Can I know where can i get the candidate grid??

Trying to explain this isn't easy but here's my attempt:

To post a puzzle to the Forum, including the candidate grid, from the Simple Sudoku program, you do the following:
After manually loading your puzzle into SS or copying and pasting a puzzle direct from the Forum into the SS program, in the Menu bar at top of the SS puzzle click on Edit then select Copy or alternatively select (Ctrl+C) on your keyboard.

Click on the appropriate button in the Forum to open a window box for posting a reply. Click on the code tag and paste (Ctrl +V) the puzzle into this window box and click the code tag again at the end of the puzzle. Note the / must precede the second code tag. To demonstrate this to you I have to use these () brackets to explain this to you whereas your brackets must look like this []. Your "Post a reply" window would look like this:

(code)
Puzzle pasted here
(/code)

Now copy and paste your puzzle as explained above from SS to this window using these correct brackets []. Note that the candidate grid is automatically shown simply from just copying the puzzle grid.

PS. I've just noticed you have some success but I'll let my above suggestion stand for possible interest to someone else.

Cec
Last edited by Cec on Sat Mar 18, 2006 1:21 am, edited 1 time in total.
Cec

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Geez, Kent. What exactly do you want me to do? The puzzle is solved. You're asking too many questions and not bothering to examine the puzzle. You've got nothing but singles left. There's only one place for a 4 in column one, etc.

You couldn't possible have read my last post before shooting back with ths one.

Please press PREVIEW before posting so you'll be able to tell if your diagram is aligned correctly.
tso

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Joined: 22 June 2005

Kent wrote:Sorry bout that tso.I forgot to click start thats why it couldnt copy from simple sudoku.This is where i'm stuck.

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`*--------------------------------------------------------------------*  | 28   1      38      | 67     67     4      | 23     9      5      |  | 247   247   37      | 9      5      1      | 23     6      8      |  | 6      5     9      | 2      3      8      | 1      4      7      |  |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|  | 78     9      1678   | 3      1467   67     | 468    5      2      |  | 23     23    4       | 8      16     5      | 9      7      16     |  | 5      678    1678   | 467    9      2      | 468    3      146    |  |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|  | 9      467    2      | 467    8      67     | 5      1      3      |  | 1      467    67     | 5      2      3      | 467    8      9      |  | 38      38    5      | 1      467    9      | 467    2      46     |  *--------------------------------------------------------------------* `
Cec

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Joined: 16 June 2005

sorry bout that.I didn't see that.Will look better next time
Kent

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Joined: 28 February 2006

### Help!!!

cecbevwr wrote:Kent wrote "Sorry bout that tso.I forgot to click start thats why it couldnt copy from simple sudoku.This is where i'm stuck."

No - cecbevwr (that's me) didn't send the above post - someone's hit the wrong key but I'm not telling who.
Cec
Cec

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