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by **Kent** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:32 am

I'm stuck here.Any suggestion??

Code: Select all: . 1 . | . . 4 | . 9 5 . . . | 9 5 1 | . 6 8 6 5 9 | 2 3 8 | 1 4 7 ------+-------+------- . 9 . | 3 . . | . 5 2 . . 4 | 8 . 5 | 9 7 . 5 . . | . 9 2 | . 3 . ------+-------+------- 9 . 2 | . 8 . | 5 1 3 1 . . | 5 2 3 | . 8 9 . . 5 | 1 . 9 | . 2 .

by **vidarino** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 9:44 am

You will probably need to jot down the candidates from here, as there are several box/line eliminations and a few nakes sets to uncover before the rest folds.

by **ravel** » Thu Mar 16, 2006 2:29 pm

You only need a hidden pair (or one of 2 naked triples) and singles.

by **Kent** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 3:37 pm

where's the hidden pair?? Cant sem to find it

by **tso** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 6:36 pm

Kent,

You've got to start posting your questions with a candidate grid so we know how far along you are. Just giving the solved cells doesn't tell us which candidate eliminations you've made. You can use any number of software apps to create a grid for you. This particular puzzle would be *very* challenging for most without pencilmarks.

Code: Select all: *--------------------------------------------------------------------* | 2378 1 378 | 67 67 4 | 23 9 5 | | 2347 2347 37 | 9 5 1 | 23 6 8 | | 6 5 9 | 2 3 8 | 1 4 7 | |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------| | 78 9 1678 | 3 1467 67 | 468 5 2 | | 23 236 4 | 8 16 5 | 9 7 16 | | 5 678 1678 | 467 9 2 | 468 3 146 | |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------| | 9 467 2 | 467 8 67 | 5 1 3 | | 1 467 67 | 5 2 3 | 467 8 9 | | 3478 34678 5 | 1 467 9 | 467 2 46 | *--------------------------------------------------------------------*

One you've a complete grid, there are a lot of deductions available all at the same time.

A) Naked pair in row 1.
B) Naked pair in row 5.
C) Locked candidates in column 3/box 1
D) Naked triple in row 9 and box 7
E) Hidden pair (or Naked quad) in box 4
F) X-wing in 3's (gives same deductions as (C))

Also -- I just noticed that you've posted this same puzzle in several different threads. If you post a question, read the answers and reply in the same thread to those answers. It's not all about you, Kent.

by **Kent** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:15 pm

Can I know where can i get the candidate grid??

by **vidarino** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 7:17 pm

Kent wrote:Can I know where can i get the candidate grid??

Eh, what kind of question is that? You will probably have to work it out yourself. It's just a simple list of which numbers can go where.

If you really don't want to do it yourself, I suggest you enter your puzzle into a solver program, and it will most likely be able to list candidates for you.

by **Kent** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 8:22 pm

I tried with simple sudoku.I could paste it here but the candidates won't appear here.Jus the clues.

by **tso** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:18 pm

Kent wrote:I tried with simple sudoku.I could paste it here but the candidates won't appear here.Jus the clues.

I don't mean this in a bad way, but what are you talking about?

Simple Sudoku:-- EDIT, COPY, PASTE:

Code: Select all: *-----------* |3..|..9|876| |1..|...|.3.| |..7|..6|..4| |---+---+---| |..3|..5|7..| |2..|.4.|..5| |..6|2..|4..| |---+---+---| |9..|4..|2..| |.3.|...|..7| |621|7..|..3| *-----------* *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------* | 3 45 245 | 15 125 9 | 8 7 6 | | 1 45689 24589 | 58 2578 2478 | 59 3 29 | | 58 589 7 | 1358 12358 6 | 159 1259 4 | |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------| | 48 1489 3 | 1689 1689 5 | 7 12689 1289 | | 2 1789 89 | 13689 4 1378 | 1369 1689 5 | | 578 15789 6 | 2 13789 1378 | 4 189 189 | |-------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------------| | 9 578 58 | 4 13568 138 | 2 1568 18 | | 458 3 458 | 15689 125689 128 | 1569 145689 7 | | 6 2 1 | 7 589 8 | 59 4589 3 | *-----------------------------------------------------------------------------*

Kent, I beseech think a little longer before posting for questions that verge on "where are my keys?" Read the forum. Read through the free tutorials. Read the manuals. Use the search facility. Work through the examples. Read the replies to your posts.

Please spend some time with these lists of SOLVING GUIDES and a TECHNIQUE indexes:

http://www.setbb.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?t=379&mforum=sudoku

and

http://forum.enjoysudoku.com/viewtopic.php?t=3315

Below are several other software and web choices for candidate grid creation. There are also many other software apps and websites that will do this, though not all of them will allow easy export or copy/paste.

Sudoku Susser: Select TEXT, POSSIBLITY LIST or one of several other choices, then shift-drag the diagram to an open wordpad doc (windows version):

Code: Select all: +-------+-------+-------+ | . . . | 4 . 2 | . . . | | . 4 . | 8 3 6 | . . 1 | | . . . | . . 5 | 8 6 . | +-------+-------+-------+ | 2 3 1 | . . . | . 7 8 | | . 8 . | . . . | . 3 . | | 7 5 . | . . . | 2 1 6 | +-------+-------+-------+ | . . 2 | 9 . . | . . . | | . . 5 | 2 1 3 | . 8 . | | . 1 . | 5 . 7 | . . . | +-------+-------+-------+ +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ | 135689 679 36789 | 4 79 2 | 3579 59 3579 | | 59 4 79 | 8 3 6 | 579 259 1 | | 139 279 379 | 17 79 5 | 8 6 23479 | +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ | 2 3 1 | 6 4569 49 | 459 7 8 | | 469 8 469 | 167 245679 149 | 459 3 459 | | 7 5 49 | 3 489 489 | 2 1 6 | +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+ | 3468 67 2 | 9 468 48 | 134567 45 3457 | | 469 679 5 | 2 1 3 | 4679 8 479 | | 34689 1 34689 | 5 468 7 | 3469 249 2349 | +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+

I believe SadMan Sudoku will also accomodate this -- I don't have it installed.

Sudo Cue EDIT, COPY CLUES, COPY MARKS:

Code: Select all: . . .|. . .|3 . . 7 . 1|2 . .|. 9 4 . 6 .|. . 9|8 . . -----+-----+----- . . .|. 9 4|. . . . 3 9|. 2 .|5 6 . . . .|1 5 .|. . . -----+-----+----- . . 5|6 . .|. 7 . 6 4 .|. . 8|2 . 3 . . 8|. . .|. . . .------------------.------------------.------------------. | 24589 2589 24 | 4578 14678 1567 | 3 125 12567| | 7 58 1 | 2 368 356 | 6 9 4 | | 2345 6 234 | 3457 1347 9 | 8 125 1257 | :------------------+------------------+------------------: | 1258 12578 267 | 378 9 4 | 17 1238 1278 | | 148 3 9 | 78 2 7 | 5 6 178 | | 248 278 2467 | 1 5 367 | 479 2348 2789 | :------------------+------------------+------------------: | 1239 129 5 | 6 134 123 | 149 7 189 | | 6 4 7 | 579 17 8 | 2 15 3 | | 1239 1279 8 | 34579 1347 12357| 1469 145 1569 | '------------------'------------------'------------------'

Into Sudoku:COPY WITH CANDIDATES:

Code: Select all: . . . | 2 . . | 9 4 . 2 . 6 | . 8 . | . . . . 5 1 | 7 . . | . . . -------+-------+------ . 1 5 | . . 4 | . 6 . . 8 . | . 6 . | . 5 . . 4 . | 8 . . | 3 9 . -------+-------+------ . . . | . . 8 | 1 3 . . . . | . 1 . | 6 . 8 . 6 8 | . . 2 | . . . 378 37 37 | 2 35 1356 | 9 4 13567 2 379 6 | 13459 8 1359 | 57 17 1357 3489 5 1 | 7 349 369 | 28 28 236 ----------------------+----------------------+---------------------- 379 1 5 | 39 2379 4 | 278 6 27 379 8 2379 | 139 6 1379 | 247 5 1247 67 4 27 | 8 257 157 | 3 9 127 ----------------------+----------------------+---------------------- 4579 279 2479 | 4569 4579 8 | 1 3 24579 34579 2379 23479 | 3459 1 3579 | 6 27 8 134579 6 8 | 3459 34579 2 | 457 7 4579

Sudoku Assistant/Solver -- Learn As you Go -- no download required, just cut and paste from the webpage:

Code: Select all: |---c1--|---c2--|---c3--||---c4--|---c5--|---c6--||---c7---|---c8--|---c9--- ------------------------------------------------------------------------------- r1 | 9 | 134 | 138 || 2 | 1367 | 137 || 1678 | 5 | 1678 ---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r2 | 15 | 7 | 6 || 359 | 135 | 8 || 129 | 4 | 19 ---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r3 | 158 | 15 | 1258 || 4 | 1567 | 179 || 126789 | 12689 | 3 ===========================||=======================||========================= r4 | 578 | 6 | 35789 || 1 | 23578 | 237 || 2389 | 289 | 4 ---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r5 | 178 | 13 | 4 || 37 | 9 | 237 || 5 | 1268 | 168 ---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r6 | 2 | 1359 | 13589 || 35 | 3458 | 6 || 1389 | 7 | 189 ===========================||=======================||========================= r7 | 3 | 159 | 1579 || 679 | 1267 | 4 || 16789 | 1689 | 156789 ---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r8 | 1567 | 2 | 1579 || 8 | 167 | 179 || 4 | 3 | 15679 ---+-------+-------+-------||-------+-------+-------||--------+-------+-------- r9 | 1467 | 8 | 179 || 3679 | 1367 | 5 || 1679 | 169 | 2 ...............................................................................

by **Kent** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:30 pm

Sorry bout that tso.I forgot to click start thats why it couldnt copy from simple sudoku.This is where i'm stuck.

Code: Select all: *--------------------------------------------------------------------* | 28 1 38 | 67 67 4 | 23 9 5 | | 247 247 37 | 9 5 1 | 23 6 8 | | 6 5 9 | 2 3 8 | 1 4 7 | |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------| | 78 9 1678 | 3 1467 67 | 468 5 2 | | 23 23 4 | 8 16 5 | 9 7 16 | | 5 678 1678 | 467 9 2 | 468 3 146 | |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------| | 9 467 2 | 467 8 67 | 5 1 3 | | 1 467 67 | 5 2 3 | 467 8 9 | | 38 38 5 | 1 467 9 | 467 2 46 | *--------------------------------------------------------------------*

by **Cec** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:33 pm

Kent wrote:Can I know where can i get the candidate grid??

Trying to explain this isn't easy but here's my attempt:

To post a puzzle to the Forum, including the candidate grid, from the Simple Sudoku program, you do the following:
After manually loading your puzzle into SS or copying and pasting a puzzle direct from the Forum into the SS program, in the Menu bar at top of the SS puzzle click on Edit then select Copy or alternatively select (Ctrl+C) on your keyboard.

Click on the appropriate button in the Forum to open a window box for posting a reply. Click on the code tag and paste (Ctrl +V) the puzzle into this window box and click the code tag again at the end of the puzzle. Note the / must precede the second code tag. To demonstrate this to you I have to use these () brackets to explain this to you whereas your brackets must look like this []. Your "Post a reply" window would look like this:

(code)
Puzzle pasted here
(/code)

Now copy and paste your puzzle as explained above from SS to this window using these correct brackets []. Note that the candidate grid is automatically shown simply from just copying the puzzle grid.

PS. I've just noticed you have some success but I'll let my above suggestion stand for possible interest to someone else.

Cec

by **tso** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:38 pm

Geez, Kent. What exactly do you want me to do? The puzzle is solved. You're asking too many questions and not bothering to examine the puzzle. You've got nothing but singles left. There's only one place for a 4 in column one, etc.

You couldn't possible have read my last post before shooting back with ths one.

Please press PREVIEW before posting so you'll be able to tell if your diagram is aligned correctly.

by **Cec** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:38 pm

Kent wrote:Sorry bout that tso.I forgot to click start thats why it couldnt copy from simple sudoku.This is where i'm stuck.

Code: Select all
*--------------------------------------------------------------------* | 28 1 38 | 67 67 4 | 23 9 5 | | 247 247 37 | 9 5 1 | 23 6 8 | | 6 5 9 | 2 3 8 | 1 4 7 | |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------| | 78 9 1678 | 3 1467 67 | 468 5 2 | | 23 23 4 | 8 16 5 | 9 7 16 | | 5 678 1678 | 467 9 2 | 468 3 146 | |----------------------+----------------------+----------------------| | 9 467 2 | 467 8 67 | 5 1 3 | | 1 467 67 | 5 2 3 | 467 8 9 | | 38 38 5 | 1 467 9 | 467 2 46 | *--------------------------------------------------------------------*

by **Kent** » Fri Mar 17, 2006 10:46 pm

sorry bout that.I didn't see that.Will look better next time

by **Cec** » Sat Mar 18, 2006 12:22 am

cecbevwr wrote:Kent wrote "Sorry bout that tso.I forgot to click start thats why it couldnt copy from simple sudoku.This is where i'm stuck."

No - cecbevwr (that's me) didn't send the above post - someone's hit the wrong key but I'm not telling who.

Cec

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