Extra Divertissement for the weekend

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Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby Luke » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:35 am

Just as a Diversion from Dangerous Dan's Derring-Do's....

Did any of you debauchers see civiliza's puzzle posted a few days ago here?

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 *-----------*
 |.5.|..9|...|
 |4.9|..6|...|
 |2..|..7|.3.|
 |---+---+---|
 |...|4.2|...|
 |5..|.1.|...|
 |.4.|..3|29.|
 |---+---+---|
 |...|2..|..7|
 |...|6.1|4..|
 |67.|.84|3..|
 *-----------*

There may be a one-stepper hiding in there, but I stopped looking for it after noticing an uncommon solution based on a recent exchange with Debonair Danny Jones.

Check it out if you're down for an extra dalliance going into the weekend.
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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby JC Van Hay » Fri Nov 22, 2013 9:04 am

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+-----------------------+--------------+----------------+
| 37(18)  5      37(18) | 3(18)   4  9 | (18)  2    6   |
| 4       3(18)  9      | -3(18)  2  6 | 57    178  158 |
| 2       6(18)  -6(18) | (18)    5  7 | 9     3    4   |
+-----------------------+--------------+----------------+
| 138     1368   1368   | 4       9  2 | 57    178  158 |
| 5       9      2      | 7       1  8 | 6     4    3   |
| 178     4      178    | 5       6  3 | 2     9    18  |
+-----------------------+--------------+----------------+
| 9       (18)   4      | 2       3  5 | (18)  6    7   |
| 38      2      358    | 6       7  1 | 4     58   9   |
| 6       7      15     | 9       8  4 | 3     15   2   |
+-----------------------+--------------+----------------+
Red Green Transport :
    Red : r1c7=r7c2=r3c3=r2c4=1
    Green : r1c7=r7c2=r3c3=r2c4=8
    :=> -6r3c3,-3r2c4; stte
Remote Pairs :
    #1. RP(18)r17c7,r27c2 is impossible as r2c89 must contain either 1 or 8 :=> r2c2=3=r1c4
    #2. RP(18)r17c7,r37c2 is impossible as r1c13 must contain either 1 or 8 :=> r3c2=6; stte
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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby Leren » Fri Nov 22, 2013 11:35 am

Basically the same as JCVH:

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*--------------------------------------------------------------*
| 1378  5     1378   | 138   4     9      |R18    2     6      |
| 4     138   9      | 138   2     6      | 57    178   158    |
| 2     168   18-6   | 18    5     7      | 9     3     4      |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 138   1368  1368   | 4     9     2      | 57    178   158    |
| 5     9     2      | 7     1     8      | 6     4     3      |
| 178   4     178    | 5     6     3      | 2     9     18     |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 9    R18    4      | 2     3     5      |G18    6     7      |
| 38    2     358    | 6     7     1      | 4     58    9      |
| 6     7     15     | 9     8     4      | 3     15    2      |
*--------------------------------------------------------------*

Remote Pairs (18) in r1c7 and r7c2 have the same parity (Red) => 1: r3c3 <> 6 and 2: RP (18) in r3c3 has Red parity and RP (18) in r3c4 has Green parity.

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*--------------------------------------------------------------*
| 1378  5     1378   | 3-18  4     9      |R18    2     6      |
| 4     138   9      | 138   2     6      | 57    178   158    |
| 2     6    R18     |G18    5     7      | 9     3     4      |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 138   138   6      | 4     9     2      | 57    178   158    |
| 5     9     2      | 7     1     8      | 6     4     3      |
| 178   4     178    | 5     6     3      | 2     9     18     |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 9    R18    4      | 2     3     5      |G18    6     7      |
| 38    2     358    | 6     7     1      | 4     58    9      |
| 6     7     15     | 9     8     4      | 3     15    2      |
*--------------------------------------------------------------*

Now r1c4 can see both Red and Green RP (18) parities (in r1c7 & r3c4) => r1c4 <> 18; stte

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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby pjb » Fri Nov 22, 2013 12:00 pm

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1378   5      1378   | 138    4      9      |d18     2      6     
4     g138    9      |f138    2      6      | 57    e178    158   
2      168   h168    | 18     5      7      | 9      3      4     
---------------------+----------------------+---------------------
138    1368  i1368   | 4      9      2      | 57     178    158   
5      9      2      | 7      1      8      | 6      4      3     
178    4      178    | 5      6      3      | 2      9      18     
---------------------+----------------------+---------------------
9     b18     4      | 2      3      5      |c18     6      7     
38     2     j38-5   | 6      7      1      | 4     k58     9     
6      7     a15     | 9      8      4      | 3      1-5    2     

A messy single step:
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(5=1)r9c3-(1=8)r7c2-(8=1)r7c7-(1=8)r1c7-r2c89=(8-3)r2c4=(3-8)r2c2=(8-6)r3c3=(6-3)r4c3=(3-5)r8c3=r8c8 => -5 r8c3, r9c8; stte
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               r23c2               r1c13                    r1c3

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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby ArkieTech » Fri Nov 22, 2013 1:34 pm

A nice study of empty rectangles :D

Code: Select all
 
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 |*1378  5     378-1 | 138   4     9     |*18    2     6     |
 | 4     138   9     | 138   2     6     | 57    178   158   |
 | 2     168   168   | 18    5     7     | 9     3     4     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 |*138   1368  368-1 | 4     9     2     | 57    178   158   |
 | 5     9     2     | 7     1     8     | 6     4     3     |
 |*178   4     78-1  | 5     6     3     | 2     9     18    |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 9    *18    4     | 2     3     5     |*18    6     7     |
 | 38    2     358   | 6     7     1     | 4     58    9     |
 | 6     7    f15    | 9     8     4     | 3     15    2     |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
Franken Swordfish 8r27c27b47 => -1r146c3
 
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 | 1378  5     378   | 138   4     9     |*18    2     6     |
 | 4     3-18  9     | 138   2     6     | 57   *178  *158   |
 | 2     168   168   | 18    5     7     | 9     3     4     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 138   1368  368   | 4     9     2     | 57    178   158   |
 | 5     9     2     | 7     1     8     | 6     4     3     |
 | 178   4     78    | 5     6     3     | 2     9     18    |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 9     18    4     | 2     3     5     | 18    6     7     |
 | 38    2     358   | 6     7     1     | 4     58    9     |
 | 6     7     15    | 9     8     4     | 3     15    2     |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
er:18b3 => -18r2c2
 
 *--------------------------------------------------*
 |*178  5   *78   | 3    4    9    | 1-8  2    6    |
 | 4    3    9    | 18   2    6    | 57   178  158  |
 | 2   *168  16   | 18   5    7    | 9    3    4    |
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 | 138  168  36   | 4    9    2    | 57   178  158  |
 | 5    9    2    | 7    1    8    | 6    4    3    |
 | 178  4    78   | 5    6    3    | 2    9    18   |
 |----------------+----------------+----------------|
 | 9    18   4    | 2    3    5    | 18   6    7    |
 | 38   2    35   | 6    7    1    | 4    58   9    |
 | 6    7    15   | 9    8    4    | 3    15   2    |
 *--------------------------------------------------*
er:8b1 => -8r1c7; ste
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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby Luke » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:16 pm

I think now I'll change the thread title to "Extra Divertissement for the First Ten Minutes of Friday Morning." You guys are GOOD. Quite an effort there, Phil.

The remote pairs popped out to me too, although I looked at it as an oddagon and focused on the "outs", ala a DP. The implications lead to the exact same RP contradictions pointed out above by JC. I have never used "Red Green Transport" so it's interesting to me that you guys saw that as well. Can said Transport do anything the oddagon/RP approach cannot? If not, I won't clutter my brain with yet another sudoku technique.
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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby SteveG48 » Fri Nov 22, 2013 2:52 pm

This one just didn't want to give up! :)
ER on 1: Box 3 connected by r7c27 => r2c2 <> 1
ER on 8: Box 3 connected by r7c27 => r2c2 <> 8
Coloring on 1: r1c7-r7c7-r9c8-r9c3 => r1c3 <> 1
Coloring expands to multi-coloring with more eliminations of 1
Then, UR r16c13 => r16c1 <> 8
Coloring on 8: r3c2-r1c3-r1c6-r7c6-r7c2 => r3c2, r1c7, r7c2 <> 8
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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby JC Van Hay » Fri Nov 22, 2013 4:44 pm

Luke wrote:Can said Transport do anything the oddagon/RP approach cannot? If not, I won't clutter my brain with yet another sudoku technique.
Red Green, and more generally Multi-Colours, Transport helps to find all the single digit exclusions and the single steppers if they exist, the more efficient steps otherwise.
And this in conjunction or not with Uniqueness Tests and/or Illegal Logic whatsoever.
In the present puzzle, eliminations of 6r3c3 and 3r2c4 "fortunately" solve the puzzle.
Pushing the transport a little further, Phil's one-stepper is found as
    Red : r1c7=r7c2=1, r9c3=5
    Green : r1c7=r7c2=r3c3=r2c4=8; r4c4=6; r2c2=3=r8c3
    :=> -5r8c3, +5r9c3; r9c8=1=r1c7 :: Green is false and all the Red placements are true (stte in this case).
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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby pjb » Fri Nov 22, 2013 10:24 pm

Patterns(aka templates) never seem very popular, but they do very well here. The eliminations available are usually similar to those achieved with fish.

No pattern of 1 includes r2c2, r146c3, so these <> 1
No pattern of 8 includes r2c2, so this <> 8
NP 78 at r16c3
No pattern of 1 includes r2c9, r3c2, r4c8, so these <> 1
All patterns of 8 include r1c3 so this = 8; stte

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Re: Extra Divertissement for the weekend

Postby Marty R. » Sat Nov 23, 2013 11:19 pm

Code: Select all
+----------------+---------+------------+
| 1378 5    1378 | 138 4 9 | 18 2   6   |
| 4    138  9    | 138 2 6 | 57 178 158 |
| 2    168  168  | 18  5 7 | 9  3   4   |
+----------------+---------+------------+
| 138  1368 1368 | 4   9 2 | 57 178 158 |
| 5    9    2    | 7   1 8 | 6  4   3   |
| 178  4    178  | 5   6 3 | 2  9   18  |
+----------------+---------+------------+
| 9    18   4    | 2   3 5 | 18 6   7   |
| 38   2    358  | 6   7 1 | 4  58  9   |
| 6    7    15   | 9   8 4 | 3  15  2   |
+----------------+---------+------------+

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Overlapping coloring on 18: 18r7c2=r7c7-r1c7=r2c89=>r2c2<>18

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+--------------+--------+------------+
| 178 5   178  | 3  4 9 | 18 2   6   |
| 4   3   9    | 18 2 6 | 57 178 158 |
| 2   168 168  | 18 5 7 | 9  3   4   |
+--------------+--------+------------+
| 138 168 1368 | 4  9 2 | 57 178 158 |
| 5   9   2    | 7  1 8 | 6  4   3   |
| 178 4   178  | 5  6 3 | 2  9   18  |
+--------------+--------+------------+
| 9   18  4    | 2  3 5 | 18 6   7   |
| 38  2   358  | 6  7 1 | 4  58  9   |
| 6   7   15   | 9  8 4 | 3  15  2   |
+--------------+--------+------------+

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Overlapping Sashimi X-Wings on 18 in r17=>r3c2<>18
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