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Diabolical ?

Postby Yogi » Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:05 am

.3...4......8...2.9...264..1......5..49.5.17..6......3..374...9.2...1......5...6.

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+---+---+---+
|.3.|..4|...|
|...|8..|.2.|
|9..|.26|4..|
+---+---+---+
|1..|...|.5.|
|.49|.5.|17.|
|.6.|...|..3|
+---+---+---+
|..3|74.|..9|
|.2.|..1|...|
|...|5..|.6.|
+---+---+---+

Github rates this as Diabolical, but there seems to be great variation in the different solvers.
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Re: Diabolical ?

Postby denis_berthier » Tue Feb 01, 2022 7:34 am

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Hi Yogi,
Since when does GitHub rate Sudoku puzzles?
SER = 7.3, W=4, tW=4, Z=5: those are well defined ratings.
But "diabolical" has never been assigned any precise meaning.
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Re: Diabolical ?

Postby denis_berthier » Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:09 am

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Resolution state after Singles and whips[1]:
   +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
   ! 2578   3      125678 ! 19     79     4      ! 56789  189    15678  !
   ! 47     17     1467   ! 8      379    5      ! 3679   2      167    !
   ! 9      1578   1578   ! 13     2      6      ! 4      138    1578   !
   +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
   ! 1      78     278    ! 2346   36     79     ! 2689   5      2468   !
   ! 3      4      9      ! 26     5      8      ! 1      7      26     !
   ! 2578   6      2578   ! 24     1      79     ! 289    489    3      !
   +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
   ! 6      158    3      ! 7      4      2      ! 58     18     9      !
   ! 4578   2      4578   ! 69     69     1      ! 3578   348    4578   !
   ! 47     9      147    ! 5      8      3      ! 27     6      1247   !
   +----------------------+----------------------+----------------------+
 146 candidates

As I said above the puzzle is in W4.

There's no 1-step solution in W8.
There are several 2-step solutions in W8 (and none with shorter whips).
Notice that, for a puzzle in W4 (moderately difficult), adding a requirement on the number of steps turns it into a very hard puzzle. That may explain the different ratings with different solvers.

Here is my first 2-step solution in W8:
whip[8]: r2n3{c7 c5} - r4c5{n3 n6} - c7n6{r4 r1} - r2n6{c9 c3} - r2n4{c3 c1} - r9c1{n4 n7} - c7n7{r9 r8} - c7n3{r8 .} ==> r2c7≠9
singles ==> r2c5=9, r1c4=1, r3c4=3, r1c5=7, r8c5=6, r4c5=3, r8c4=9, r2c7=3, r8c8=3, r6c8=4, r6c4=2, r5c4=6, r4c4=4, r5c9=2, r9c7=2, r8c7=7, r4c3=2, r1c1=2, r1c8=9
whip[7]: r6n8{c3 c7} - r7c7{n8 n5} - r7c2{n5 n1} - c8n1{r7 r3} - b1n1{r3c2 r2c3} - r2n6{c3 c9} - r4c9{n6 .} ==> r4c2≠8
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Re: Diabolical ?

Postby jco » Tue Feb 01, 2022 2:29 pm

I found a solution in 4 steps. After basics,
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.--------------------------------------------------------------------.
| 258    3      12568  | 19     7      4      | 5689   189    1568   |
|f47     17    e1467   | 8      9-3    5      |j39     2     d167    |
| 9      1578   1578   | 13     2      6      | 4      138    1578   |
|----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
| 1      78     278    | 2346  a36     79     | 2689   5      2468   |
| 3      4      9      |b26     5      8      | 1      7     c26     |
| 258    6      2578   | 24     1      79     | 289    489    3      |
|----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
| 6      158    3      | 7      4      2      | 58     18     9      |
| 58     2      4578   | 69     69     1      |i3578   348    458    |
|g47     9      147    | 5      8      3      |h27     6      124    |
'--------------------------------------------------------------------'

1. (3=6)r4c5 - r5c4 = r5c9 - r2c9 = (6-4)r2c3 = r2c1 - (4=7)r9c1 - r9c7 = (7-3)r8c7 = (3)r2c7 => -3 r2c5 [18 placements]
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.-----------------------------------------------------------.
| 2     3     568   | 1     7     4     | 568   9     568   |
| 47    17    1467  | 8     9     5     | 3     2     167   |
| 9    c1578  1578  | 3     2     6     | 4    b18    1578  |
|-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
| 1    d78    2     | 4     3     79    | 689   5     68    |
| 3     4     9     | 6     5     8     | 1     7     2     |
|e58    6    e578   | 2     1     79    |f89    4     3     |
|-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
| 6     15(8) 3     | 7     4     2     | 5-8  a18    9     |
| 58    2     458   | 9     6     1     | 7     3     458   |
| 47    9     147   | 5     8     3     | 2     6     14    |
'-----------------------------------------------------------'

2. (8)r7c2 = [X-chain (8): r7c8 = r3c8 - r3c2 *= r4c2 - r6c13 = r6c7] => -8 r7c7 [3 placements, 1 LC]
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.-----------------------------------------------------------.
| 2     3     568   | 1     7     4     | 568   9     568   |
| 4     17    167   | 8     9     5     | 3     2     167   |
| 9     1578  1578  | 3     2     6     | 4     18    1578  |
|-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
| 1     78    2     | 4     3     79    | 689   5     6-8   |
| 3     4     9     | 6     5     8     | 1     7     2     |
|c58    6     578   | 2     1     79    |d89    4     3     |
|-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
| 6     158   3     | 7     4     2     | 58    18    9     |
|b58    2     458   | 9     6     1     | 7     3    a458   |
| 7     9     14    | 5     8     3     | 2     6     14    |
'-----------------------------------------------------------'

3. Skyscraper (8): r8c9 = r8c1 - r6c1 = r6c7 => -8 r4c9 [6 placements]
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.-----------------------------------------------------------.
| 2     3     8     | 1     7     4     | 6     9     5     |
| 4     17    6     | 8     9     5     | 3     2     17    |
| 9     5     17    | 3     2     6     | 4     18   (1)78  |
|-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
| 1     78    2     | 4     3     79    | 89    5     6     |
| 3     4     9     | 6     5     8     | 1     7     2     |
| 58    6     57    | 2     1     79    | 89    4     3     |
|-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
| 6     18    3     | 7     4     2     | 5     18    9     |
| 58    2     45    | 9     6     1     | 7     3     48    |
| 7     9     14    | 5     8     3     | 2     6     14    |
'-----------------------------------------------------------'

4. BUG+1: +1 r3c9; ste

Thanks for the puzzle!
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Re: Diabolical ?

Postby StrmCkr » Tue Feb 01, 2022 4:54 pm

There's no 1-step solution in W8.


im pretty sure this is a 1 step solution when u consider simple sudoku to the end

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Death Blossom Complex Type 2: Set have degrees of freedom of 2-124678{r2459c9} => r7c2<>1
7r2c9-(7=1){r2c2}
4r4c9-(4=158){b9p126}
8r4c9-(8=17){r24c2}
4r9c9-(4=127){r9c137}


seen in yzf's solver the full eliminations are these

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+--------------------+--------------+-----------------------+
| 258   3     2568-1 | 19    7   4  | 5689    189   1568    |
| (47)  (17)  467-1  | 8     39  5  | 39      2     (167)   |
| 9     1578  578-1  | 13    2   6  | 4       138   1578    |
+--------------------+--------------+-----------------------+
| 1     (78)  278    | 2346  36  79 | 689-2   5     (268-4) |
| 3     4     9      | 26    5   8  | 1       7     (26)    |
| 258   6     2578   | 24    1   79 | 89-2    489   3       |
+--------------------+--------------+-----------------------+
| 6     58-1  3      | 7     4   2  | (58)    (18)  9       |
| 58    2     458-7  | 69    69  1  | 37-58   3-48  (458)   |
| (47)  9     (147)  | 5     8   3  | (+2-7)  6     (14-2)  |
+--------------------+--------------+-----------------------+


which leaves singles and one size 2 fish {many options}
to finish.
Skyscraper: 8 in r4c9,r6c1 (connected by r8c19) => r4c2,r6c7<>8
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Re: Diabolical ?

Postby denis_berthier » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:36 pm

StrmCkr wrote:
There's no 1-step solution in W8.

im pretty sure this is a 1 step solution when u consider simple sudoku to the end
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Death Blossom Complex Type 2: Set have degrees of freedom of 2-124678{r2459c9} => r7c2<>1
7r2c9-(7=1){r2c2}
4r4c9-(4=158){b9p126}
8r4c9-(8=17){r24c2}
4r9c9-(4=127){r9c137}

Not in W8; not really 1-step.
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Re: Diabolical ?

Postby StrmCkr » Tue Feb 01, 2022 6:52 pm

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Not in W8; not really 1-step.
not sure what your W8 scope defines.
was more for the 1- step part when using simple Sudoku rules to finish.. {basics + 2|3 fish, and simple coloring}

{if i remember correctly included some 2-fish types but not er's under the coloring code}
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Re: Diabolical ?

Postby Yogi » Tue Feb 01, 2022 8:18 pm

Thanx for your interest!
Just replying to Denis' initial comment:
The puzzle comes from a Github collection which they have labelled Diabolical,
but there does seem to be a wide range of difficulty in the puzzles in that collection.
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