Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

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Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby ArkieTech » Sun Dec 02, 2012 8:19 am

Code: Select all
 *-----------*
 |9..|..8|..5|
 |..2|3.5|8.6|
 |...|..2|.1.|
 |---+---+---|
 |3..|...|...|
 |.25|...|39.|
 |...|...|7.4|
 |---+---+---|
 |.8.|6..|...|
 |2.3|5.4|1..|
 |7..|9..|..3|
 *-----------*



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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby JC Van Hay » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:26 am

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+--------------------+--------------------+---------------------+
| 9     1467   1467  | 147    147     8   | 2      3      5     |
| 14    147    2     | 3      9       5   | 8      47     6     |
| 5     3      8     | 47     6       2   | -4(9)  1      7(9)  |
+--------------------+--------------------+---------------------+
| 3     14679  14679 | 12478  124578  679 | 56     2568   128   |
| 1468  2      5     | 1478   1478    67  | 3      9      18    |
| 168   169    169   | 128    12358   369 | 7      2568   4     |
+--------------------+--------------------+---------------------+
| 14    8      149   | 6      237     37  | 459    2457   279   |
| 2     (69)   3     | 5      78      4   | 1      78(6)  78(9) |
| 7     5      46    | 9      28      1   | (46)   2468   3     |
+--------------------+--------------------+---------------------+
UP36; 9r3c7=9r3c9-9r8c9=(9-6)r8c2=6r8c8-(6=4)r9c7 :=> -4r3c7; UP81
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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby Leren » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:31 am

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*--------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
| 9       467     467      | 147     147     8        | 2       3       5        |
| 14      17      2        | 3       9       5        | 8      c47      6        |
| 5       3       8        | 47      6       2        |b49      1       79       |
|--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------|
| 3       47      47       | 128     15      9        | 56      2568    128      |
| 68      2       5        | 1478    147     67       | 3       9       18       |
| 68      19      19       | 28      35      36       | 7       258     4        |
|--------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------|
| 14      8       19       | 6       237     37       |a59     d24-57   279      |
| 2       69      3        | 5       78      4        | 1       678     789      |
| 7       5       46       | 9       28      1        | 46      28      3        |
*--------------------------------------------------------------------------------*


After basics + XWing in 4's c18 r27:

H-Wing (5=9)r7c7 - (9=4)r3c7 - r2c8 = r7c8 => r7c8<5>

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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby Leren » Sun Dec 02, 2012 10:40 am

JC Van Hay wrote : UP36; 9r3c7=9r3c9-9r8c9=(9-6)r8c2=6r8c7-(6=4)r9c7 :=> -4r3c7; UP81


Looks like a typo in your move - should be ...=6r8c8...

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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby ArkieTech » Sun Dec 02, 2012 12:13 pm

Code: Select all
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 | 9     467   467   | 147   147   8     | 2     3     5     |
 | 14    147   2     | 3     9     5     | 8    a47    6     |
 | 5     3     8     | 47    6     2     |b49    1     79    |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 3     47    47    | 128   15    9     | 56    2568  128   |
 | 68    2     5     | 1478  147   67    | 3     9     18    |
 | 68    19    19    | 28    35    36    | 7     258   4     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 14    8     19    | 6     237   37    |c459  d257-4 279   |
 | 2     69    3     | 5     78    4     | 1     678   789   |
 | 7     5     46    | 9     28    1     | 46    28    3     |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
L-wing
4r2c8=(4-9)r3c7=(9-5)r7c7=5r7c8 => -4r7c8; stte
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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby Marty R. » Sun Dec 02, 2012 5:42 pm

Code: Select all
+------------+-------------+--------------+
| 9  467 467 | 147  147 8  | 2   3    5   |
| 14 147 2   | 3    9   5  | 8   47   6   |
| 5  3   8   | 47   6   2  | 49  1    79  |
+------------+-------------+--------------+
| 3  47  47  | 128  15  9  | 56  2568 128 |
| 68 2   5   | 1478 147 67 | 3   9    18  |
| 68 19  19  | 28   35  36 | 7   258  4   |
+------------+-------------+--------------+
| 14 8   19  | 6    237 37 | 459 2457 279 |
| 2  69  3   | 5    78  4  | 1   678  789 |
| 7  5   46  | 9    28  1  | 46  28   3   |
+------------+-------------+--------------+

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UR 47 r14c23. External analysis using candidates in box 1.

4r2c12-(4=7)r2c8-(7=9)r3c9-r3c7=r7c7-(9=1)r7c3-(1=4)r7c1
7r2c2-(7=4)r2c8-r2c1=4r7c1

Common outcome r7c1=4
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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby David P Bird » Mon Dec 03, 2012 10:04 am

Marty R, the (14)UR:r14c23 you explored is a mirage. As (6) is confined to r1c23, the UR can never be formed and so its threat won't supply any extra inferences. Similarly there is a less developed (47)UR:r15c45 that's can also be ignored because the bivalue (47)r3c4 will ensure it can't happen.

Branched logic, as you seem to have used for your deduction, is generally considered less elegant than simple chains.

As Leren alone found (4)r2c2 & (4)r7c7 can be eliminated by (4)Xwing:r27c18 in the preliminary steps, but I guess it depends on what methods are considered to be generally accepted at the start.
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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby Marty R. » Mon Dec 03, 2012 7:14 pm

David P Bird wrote:Marty R, the (14)UR:r14c23 you explored is a mirage. As (6) is confined to r1c23, the UR can never be formed and so its threat won't supply any extra inferences. Similarly there is a less developed (47)UR:r15c45 that's can also be ignored because the bivalue (47)r3c4 will ensure it can't happen.

Branched logic, as you seem to have used for your deduction, is generally considered less elegant than simple chains.

As Leren alone found (4)r2c2 & (4)r7c7 can be eliminated by (4)Xwing:r27c18 in the preliminary steps, but I guess it depends on what methods are considered to be generally accepted at the start.


David, thank you for your comments. I agree branched logic is less elegant, but one has to go with what one can find.

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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby pjb » Tue Dec 04, 2012 12:35 am

Starting with Leren's position, I rather like the following chain which does it in one:

(1=4)r2c1 - 4r2c8 = (4-9)r3c7 = 9r7c7 - (9=1)r7c3 :=> -1r7c1

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Re: Daily Telegraph Diabolical November 30, 2012

Postby tlanglet » Wed Dec 05, 2012 3:43 am

Still another solution is

4r7c1=4r2c1-(4=7)r2c8-(7=9)r3c9-r78c9=r7c7-(9=1=4)r7c31 => r7c1=4
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