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d.pat.5

Postby eleven » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:22 pm

Code: Select all
 1 . . . . . . . 4
 . 5 . 7 . . . 9 .
 . . 2 6 . . 3 . .
 . . . 8 . . 4 5 .
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 . 9 . . . 7 . . .
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 . 8 . . . 5 . 7 .
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Re: d.pat.5

Postby Leren » Tue Jan 24, 2017 7:50 pm

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*----------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
|  1       36       689b     | 5       2389    2389     | 7       268     4        |
|  368     5        468      | 7       1238    12348    | 168     9       268      |
|na78-9a    47      2        | 6       189     1489     | 3       18      5        |
|----------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------|
|mb2367    12367  kc167      | 8       12369   12369    | 4       5       23679    |
|mb23678   123467 kc14678    | 1239    5       12369    | 1689    12368   236789   |
|mb2368    9        5        | 1234    12346   7        | 168     12368   2368     |
|----------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------|
|  5      f167      3        |g19      16789   1689     | 2       4       689      |
|  269     8       e169      | 12349   123469  5        | 69      7       369      |
|  4       267    jd679      |h239    h236789 h23689    | 5       368     1        |
*----------------------------------------------------------------------------------*

9r3c1                                - r1c3;

9r3c1 - 7r3c1 = r345c1 - r45c3 = (7-9) r9c3 = (9-1) r8c3 = r7c2 - (1=9) r7c4 - r9c456 = (9-7) r9c3 = r45c3 - r456c1 = 7r3c1 - 9r3c1 => - 9 r3c1; stte
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Re: d.pat.5

Postby JC Van Hay » Tue Jan 24, 2017 9:23 pm

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+-----------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 1      36      689    | 5       2389     2389  | 7     268    4      |
| 368    5       468    | 7       1238     12348 | 168   9      268    |
| 8(79)  4(7)    2      | 6       189      1489  | 3     18     5      |
+-----------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 2367   12367   167    | 8       12369    12369 | 4     5      23679  |
| 23678  123467  14678  | 1239    5        12369 | 1689  12368  236789 |
| 2368   9       5      | 1234    12346    7     | 168   12368  2368   |
+-----------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
| 5      16(7)   3      | 19      16789    1689  | 2     4      689    |
| 26(9)  8       16(9)  | 1234-9  12346-9  5     | 6-9   7      36-9   |
| 4      26(7)   6(7-9) | 239     236789   23689 | 5     368    1      |
+-----------------------+------------------------+---------------------+
L2-Wing[9r8c2=(9-7)r3c1=7r3c2-7r79c2=7r9c3]-9r9c3=9r8c13-9r8c4579; stte
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Re: d.pat.5

Postby Leren » Tue Jan 24, 2017 11:36 pm

JC Van Hay wrote : L2-Wing[9r8c2=(9-7)r3c1=7r3c2-7r79c2=7r9c3]-9r9c3=9r8c13-9r8c4579; stte

There is a typo - first term should be 9r8c1. Is this two moves or one ? You could argue that it should be (9) r8c1 = (9-7) r3c1= r3c2- r79c2 = (7-9) r9c3 => - 9 r9c3; lclste

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Re: d.pat.5

Postby SteveG48 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:28 am

Code: Select all
 *---------------------------------------------------------------------------------*
 |   1       36      689     |  5       2389    2389    |  7       268     4       |
 |   368     5       468     |  7       1238    12348   |  168     9       268     |
 | bj789   bi47      2       |  6       189     1489    |  3       18      5       |
 *---------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------|
 |   2367    12367   167     |  8       12369   12369   |  4       5       23679   |
 |   23678   123467  14678   |  1239    5       12369   |  1689    12368   236789  |
 |   2368    9       5       |  1234    12346   7       |  168     12368   2368    |
 *---------------------------+--------------------------+--------------------------|
 |   5     ch167     3       |de19      16789   1689    |  2       4      f689     |
 |ach269     8     dh169     |  12349   123469  5       |eg69      7      f369     |
 |   4     ch267     679     |  239     236789  23689   |  5       368     1       |
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9r8c1 = (79HP)r3c12 - (7|9=126)b7p248 - 1r7c4,r8c3 = (9r7c4)&((69)r8c37) - 9r78c9 = r8c7 - (9=1267)b7p2468 - 7r3c2 = 7r3c1 => -9 r3c1 ; stte

Or, tightened up a bit:

9r8c1 = (79HP)r3c12 - (7|9=126)b7p248 - (1=9)r7c4 - r9c456 = (9-7)r9c3 = r79c2 - r3c2 = 7r3c1 => -9 r3c1 ; stte
Last edited by SteveG48 on Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:22 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: d.pat.5

Postby pjb » Wed Jan 25, 2017 3:44 am

Code: Select all
 1      b36     b689    | 5      2389   2389   | 7      268    4     
b368     5      b468    | 7      1238   12348  | 168    9      268   
 789    b47      2      | 6      189    1489   | 3      18     5     
------------------------+----------------------+---------------------
 2367    12367   167    | 8      12369  12369  | 4      5      23679 
 23678   123467  14678  | 1239   5      12369  | 1689   12368  236789
 2368    9       5      | 1234   12346  7      | 168    12368  2368   
------------------------+----------------------+---------------------
 5      a167     3      | 19     16789  1689   | 2      4      689   
a269     8      a169    | 12349  123469 5      | 69     7      369   
 4      a267     67-9   | 239    236789 23689  | 5      368    1     

(9=7)r7c2, r8c13, r9c2 - (7=9)r1c23, r2c13, r3c2 => -9 r9c3; lclste

Or at risk of being howled down,
(68=34)r2c13 - (34=67)r13c2 - (67=12)r79c2 - (12=69)r8c13 - (69=3)r8c79 = (3=68)r9c8 - (68=12)r13c8 - (12=68)r2c79 - loop => 13 eliminations but doesn't solve puzzle

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Re: d.pat.5

Postby SteveG48 » Wed Jan 25, 2017 4:25 am

pjb wrote:Or at risk of being howled down,
(68=34)r2c13 - (34=67)r13c2 - (67=12)r79c2 - (12=69)r8c13 - (69=3)r8c79 = (3=68)r9c8 - (68=12)r13c8 - (12=68)r2c79 - loop => 13 eliminations but doesn't solve puzzle

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13! That's gotta count for something!
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Re: d.pat.5

Postby Leren » Wed Jan 25, 2017 6:44 am

SteveG48 wrote:
pjb wrote:Or at risk of being howled down,
(68=34)r2c13 - (34=67)r13c2 - (67=12)r79c2 - (12=69)r8c13 - (69=3)r8c79 = (3=68)r9c8 - (68=12)r13c8 - (12=68)r2c79 - loop => 13 eliminations but doesn't solve puzzle

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13! That's gotta count for something!

Hey Steve, since you are an admitted stte tragic, you can adjudicate whether or not JC Van Hay's move qualifies. It's in a bit of a gray area but I'll accept your decision either way.

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Re: d.pat.5

Postby SteveG48 » Thu Jan 26, 2017 12:45 am

Leren wrote:Hey Steve, since you are an admitted stte tragic, you can adjudicate whether or not JC Van Hay's move qualifies. It's in a bit of a gray area but I'll accept your decision either way.

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Maybe I'm missing something, but I don't see this as a gray area. Boiled down, including your typo correction, JC's chain is 9r8c1 = 9r8c13 => -9 r8c4579 . It contains some extra brackets that I don't see a need for, but it looks fine to me.
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