Cant Solve Without a Guess

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Cant Solve Without a Guess

Postby boomer baby » Fri Aug 17, 2007 4:26 am

*-------+-------+-------*
| . 7 3 | . . . | . . . |
| . . . | . . . | 6 4 1 |
| . . . | 1 2 5 | . . 3 |
|-------+-------+------ |
| . . 2 | . . . | . . 9 |
| . . . | 8 7 1 | . . . |
| 6 . . | . . . | 5 . . |
|-------+-------+-------|
| 8 . . | 4 3 6 | . . . |
| 5 9 4 | . . . | . . . |
| . . . | . . . | 2 8 . |
*-------+-------+-------*

I reduced the above to the following.
I cant solve without a guess.

*-------------+-----------------+---------------*
| 1 7 3 | 69 4689 489 | 89 25 25 |
| 2 5 89 | 37 89 37 | 6 4 1 |
| 4 6 89 | 1 2 5 | 789 79 3 |
|-------------+-----------------+---------------|
| 37 8 2 | 56 56 34 | 1347 137 9 |
| 9 34 5 | 8 7 1 | 34 26 26 |
| 6 134 17 | 239 49 2349 | 5 37 8 |
|-------------+-----------------+---------------|
| 8 2 17 | 4 3 6 | 19 159 57 |
| 5 9 4 | 27 18 278 | 13 136 67 |
| 37 13 6 | 579 159 79 | 2 8 4 |
*-------------+-----------------+---------------*

Simple Sudoku cant solve either.
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Postby daj95376 » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:31 am

Your PM seems ripe for any number of techniques to crack it open. My solver kicked out several XY-Chains. I know that at least three of them lead to a solution with Singles.
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Postby udosuk » Fri Aug 17, 2007 5:53 am

As Danny mentioned there are many ways to crack this puzzle. I particularly like the Y-Wing style moves:
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 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 | 1     7     3     | 69    4689  489   | 89    25    25    |
 | 2     5     89    | 37    89    37    | 6     4     1     |
 | 4     6     89    | 1     2     5     | 789   79    3     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 37    8     2     | 56    56    34    | 1347  137   9     |
 | 9     34    5     | 8     7     1     | 34    26    26    |
 | 6     134   17    | 239   49    2349  | 5     37    8     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 8     2     17    | 4     3     6     | 19    159   57    |
 | 5     9     4     | 27    18    278   | 13    136   67    |
 | 37    13    6     | 579   159   79    | 2     8     4     |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*

Triple-click below to read the spoilers I wrote:Strong link of 3 on r5c27 + r4c1 & r6c8 both have 3|7
=> 7 must be eliminated from all cells seeing both r4c1 & r6c8
=> r4c78, r6c3 <> 7
The rest are all naked singles.

You can also apply this Y-wing move using the grouped strong link on r4c6+r6c46 in b5.

If using ALS-xz representation:

ALS A: r4c1+r5c2={347}
ALS B: r5c7+r6c8={347}
restricted common: x=4
common: z=7
:idea:
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Postby re'born » Fri Aug 17, 2007 11:37 am

Here are two overly complicated solutions using uniqueness:
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 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 | 1     7     3     | 69*   4689* 489   | 89    25    25    |
 | 2     5     89    | 37    89#   37    | 6     4     1     |
 | 4     6     89    | 1     2     5     | 789   79    3     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 37    8     2     | 56*   56*   34    | 1347  137   9     |
 | 9     34    5     | 8     7     1     | 34    26    26    |
 | 6     134   17    | 239   49    2349  | 5     37    8     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 8     2     17    | 4     3     6     | 19    159   57    |
 | 5     9     4     | 27    18#   278   | 13    136   67    |
 | 37    13    6     | 579*  159*  79    | 2     8     4     |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*

There is a potential deadly pattern (BUG-lite) in r149c45<69,56,59>. With the help of the strong link on 5 in row 9 and the cells r28c5, we see that r1c5<>6, solving the puzzle.

or
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 *-----------------------------------------------------------*
 | 1     7     3     | 69#   4689* 489   | 89*   25    25    |
 | 2     5     89*   | 37    89*   37    | 6     4     1     |
 | 4     6     89*   | 1     2     5     | 789*  79    3     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 37    8     2     | 56    56    34    | 1347  137   9     |
 | 9     34    5     | 8     7     1     | 34    26    26    |
 | 6     134   17    | 239   49#   2349  | 5     37    8     |
 |-------------------+-------------------+-------------------|
 | 8     2     17    | 4     3     6     | 19    159   57    |
 | 5     9     4     | 27    18    278   | 13    136   67    |
 | 37    13    6     | 579   159   79    | 2     8     4     |
 *-----------------------------------------------------------*

There is a potential deadly pattern (BUG-lite) in r1c57,r2c35, r3c37<89>. Along with the help of the strong link on 8 in column 7 along with cells r1c4 and r6c5, we get r1c7<>9.
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