August 2, 2015

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August 2, 2015

Postby ArkieTech » Sat Aug 01, 2015 11:42 pm

Code: Select all
 *-----------*
 |...|123|...|
 |..4|.5.|...|
 |..3|4.6|27.|
 |---+---+---|
 |4.8|...|7.9|
 |75.|...|.26|
 |6.2|...|8.5|
 |---+---+---|
 |.76|5.2|3..|
 |...|.4.|6..|
 |...|679|...|
 *-----------*


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edited to fix link.
Last edited by ArkieTech on Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:10 am, edited 1 time in total.
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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby SteveG48 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:34 am

Code: Select all
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 89     689    7      | 1      2      3      |f459   f456    8-4    |
 |e1289   12689  4      | 789    5      78     |f19    f16     3      |
 | 5      189    3      | 4      89     6      | 2      7      18     |
 *----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 4      13     8      | 2      6      5      | 7      13     9      |
 | 7      5      19     | 89     3      148    | 14     2      6      |
 | 6      139    2      | 79     19     147    | 8      134    5      |
 *----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 |d189    7      6      | 5     b18     2      | 3      149   a14     |
 |d1289   1289   159    | 3      4     c18     | 6      159    7      |
 | 3      4      15     | 6      7      9      | 15     8      2      |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*


(4=1)r7*c9 - r7c5 = r8c6 - r8*7c1 = r2c1 - (1=5694)b3p1245 => -4 r1c9 ; stte

Or eliminating the (*):

(4=1)r7c9 - r9c7 = r9c3 - r78c1 = r2c1 - (1=5694)b3p1245 => -4 r1c9 ; stte
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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby Leren » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:40 am

Code: Select all
*--------------------------------------------------------------*
| 89    689   7      | 1     2     3      | 459   456   48     |
| 1289  12689 4      | 789   5     78     | 19    16    3      |
| 5     189   3      | 4     89    6      | 2     7     18     |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 4    *13    8      | 2     6     5      | 7    *13    9      |
| 7     5    c19     | 89    3     148    | 14    2     6      |
| 6   b*13+9  2      | 79    19    147    | 8   a*13+4  5      |
|--------------------+--------------------+--------------------|
| 189   7     6      | 5     18    2      | 3    f19-4  14     |
| 1289  1289 d159    | 3     4     18     | 6    e159   7      |
| 3     4     15     | 6     7     9      | 15    8     2      |
*--------------------------------------------------------------*

DP (13) r46c28: (4) r6c8 =DP= (9) r6c2 - r5c3 = r8c3 - r8c8 = (9) r7c8 => - 4 r7c8; stte

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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby SteveG48 » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:43 am

Nice one, Leren. I saw the DP and didn't see how to use it.
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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby Marty R. » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:45 am

Dan, the link brings up a different puzzle.

Dan, don't do anything on my account, I just realized I can copy it to Helmut's format tool.
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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby Marty R. » Sun Aug 02, 2015 12:53 am

Leren,

I did the wrong puzzle but was ready to go with an ALS XZ rule.

Code: Select all
+----------------+------------+------------+
| 79   789   4   | 6   5  2   | 139 138 37 |
| 5679 56789 3   | 479 1  47  | 69  68  2  |
| 1    679   2   | 3   79 8   | 5   4   67 |
+----------------+------------+------------+
| 3    26    7   | 5   8  1   | 4   26  9  |
| 4    1     69  | 79  2  367 | 36  5   8  |
| 8    269   5   | 49  69 346 | 7   236 1  |
+----------------+------------+------------+
| 679  4     8   | 1   67 5   | 2   369 36 |
| 5679 5679  169 | 2   3  67  | 8   169 4  |
| 2    3     16  | 8   4  9   | 16  7   5  |
+----------------+------------+------------+

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ALS 6931 in c7r259 and 3679 in r5c467. X=3, Z=9 => -9r2c4

Is it valid?
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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby Marty R. » Sun Aug 02, 2015 2:57 am

Code: Select all
+----------------+------------+------------+
| 89   689   7   | 1   2  3   | 459 456 48 |
| 1289 12689 4   | 789 5  78  | 19  16  3  |
| 5    189   3   | 4   89 6   | 2   7   18 |
+----------------+------------+------------+
| 4    13    8   | 2   6  5   | 7   13  9  |
| 7    5     19  | 89  3  148 | 14  2   6  |
| 6    139   2   | 79  19 147 | 8   134 5  |
+----------------+------------+------------+
| 189  7     6   | 5   18 2   | 3   149 14 |
| 1289 1289  159 | 3   4  18  | 6   159 7  |
| 3    4     15  | 6   7  9   | 15  8   2  |
+----------------+------------+------------+

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Type 3 UR (13)r46c28, used much less elegantly than Leren's: 4r6c8=9r6c2 yields common outcome

4r6c8-r5c7=r1c7-(4=8)r1c9
9r6c2-(9=1)r5c3-r4c2=r4c8-(1=6)r2c8-(6=4598)b3p5123=> 8r1c9
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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby Leren » Sun Aug 02, 2015 3:47 am

Marty R wrote : ALS 6931 in c7r259 and 3679 in r5c467. X=3, Z=9 => -9r2c4

Unfortunately that's no good. The reason is that you have a cell r5c7 common to both ALS's that contains the restricted common digit 3.

If r2c7 <> 9 then r5c7 = 3 but you can't conclude that r5c4 = 9 from that position.

I should have mentioned in my post on yesterday's puzzle that ALS's in a chain can have overlapping cells, but you have to be very careful if the overlapping cells contain the restricted common digit. In practice I avoid this situation although a while ago I think Danny Jones had a move where the overlapping cells contained the restricted common digit, but you were able to locate the True RC digit in the first ALS if the pincer digit was False. For us mere mortals just make sure that the restricted common digits in the 2 ALSs fall into 2 separate groups, but all instances in the first ALS can see all instances in the second ALS.

BTW an ordinary XY wing achieves the elimination (9=6) r2c7 - (6=7) r3c9 - (7=9) r3c4 => - 9 r2c4.

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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby Marty R. » Sun Aug 02, 2015 5:07 am

Leren, thanks.

I'll try and avoid situations with a cell common to both ALS's. I thought this worked out a little too easily. I probably would've found the XY-Wing, but I was going full bore with the XZ rule to the exclusion of all other moves.
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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby JC Van Hay » Sun Aug 02, 2015 6:30 am

Code: Select all
+---------------------+--------------+------------------+
| 89      689    7    | 1    2   3   | 459   4569  48   |
| 289(1)  12689  4    | 789  5   78  | 9-1   69-1  3    |
| 5       89-1   3    | 4    89  6   | 2     7     8(1) |
+---------------------+--------------+------------------+
| 4       13     8    | 2    6   5   | 7     13    9    |
| 7       5      19   | 89   3   148 | 14    2     6    |
| 6       139    2    | 79   19  147 | 8     134   5    |
+---------------------+--------------+------------------+
| 89(1)   7      6    | 5    18  2   | 3     149   4(1) |
| 289(1)  1289   159  | 3    4   18  | 6     159   7    |
| 3       4      5(1) | 6    7   9   | 5(1)  8     2    |
+---------------------+--------------+------------------+
Swordfish(1R9C19)-1r2c78,r3c2; ste
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Re: August 2, 2015

Postby pjb » Sun Aug 02, 2015 1:13 pm

Code: Select all
 89      689     7      | 1      2      3      | 459    456    48     
 1289    12689   4      | 789    5      78     | 9-1    16     3     
 5      b189     3      | 4      89     6      | 2      7     a18     
------------------------+----------------------+---------------------
 4      c13      8      | 2      6      5      | 7      13     9     
 7       5      d19     | 89     3      148    | 14     2      6     
 6      c139     2      | 79     19     147    | 8      134    5     
------------------------+----------------------+---------------------
 189     7       6      | 5      18     2      | 3      149    4-1     
 1289    1289    159    | 3      4      18     | 6      159    7     
 3       4      e15     | 6      7      9      |f15     8      2     


(1)r3c9 = r3c2 - r46c2 = r5c3 - r9c3 = r9c7 => -1 r2c7, r7c9; stte

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