April 30, 2019

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April 30, 2019

Postby ArkieTech » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:59 am

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 *-----------*
 |..6|...|2..|
 |...|...|.94|
 |341|9..|...|
 |---+---+---|
 |...|38.|..1|
 |.93|6.1|87.|
 |1..|.27|...|
 |---+---+---|
 |...|..6|483|
 |23.|...|...|
 |..8|...|9..|
 *-----------*


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Re: April 30, 2019

Postby Leren » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:04 am

Code: Select all
*----------------------------------------------*
| 9    57   6    | 148   134   348 | 2   13 57 |
| 8    257  257  |b157   6     35  |a13  9  4  |
| 3    4    1    | 9    c57    2   |d67  56 8  |
|----------------+-----------------+-----------|
| 67   267  27   | 3     8     9   | 5   4  1  |
| 45   9    3    | 6     45    1   | 8   7  2  |
| 1    8    45   | 45    2     7   | 36  36 9  |
|----------------+-----------------+-----------|
| 57   157  579  | 2     1579  6   | 4   8  3  |
| 2    3    4579 | 4578  4579  458 |e7-1 15 6  |
| 4567 1567 8    | 1457  13457 345 | 9   2  57 |
*----------------------------------------------*

L2 Wing : (1) r2c7 = (1-7) r2c4 = r3c5 - r3c7 = (7) r8c7 => - 1 r8c7; stte

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Re: April 30, 2019

Postby SpAce » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:30 am

Code: Select all
.------------------.--------------------.----------------.
| 9     57    6    | 148   134     348  |  2     13   57 |
| 8     257   257  | 157   6      a3(5) | a13    9    4  |
| 3     4     1    | 9     7-5     2    | b67  c(5)6  8  |
:------------------+--------------------+----------------:
| 67    267   27   | 3     8       9    |  5     4    1  |
| 45    9     3    | 6     45      1    |  8     7    2  |
| 1     8     45   | 45    2       7    | b36    36   9  |
:------------------+--------------------+----------------:
| 57    157   579  | 2     1579    6    |  4     8    3  |
| 2     3     4579 | 4578  4579    458  |  17    15   6  |
| 4567  1567  8    | 1457  13457   345  |  9     2    57 |
'------------------'--------------------'----------------'
'

(53)r2c67 = (36)r63c7 - (6=5)r3c8 => -5 r3c5; stte

...or:

Code: Select all
.-------------------.----------------------.---------------------.
| 9     5'-7"  6    | 148     134    348   | 2      3'-1"  7'-5" |
| 8     257    257  | 5-1"7"  6      3'-5" | 1'-3"  9      4     |
| 3     4      1    | 9       7'-5"  2     | 6'-7"  5'-6"  8     |
:-------------------+----------------------+---------------------:
| 67    267    27   | 3       8      9     | 5      4      1     |
| 45    9      3    | 6       45     1     | 8      7      2     |
| 1     8      45   | 45      2      7     | 3'-6"  6'-3"  9     |
:-------------------+----------------------+---------------------:
| 57    157    579  | 2       1579   6     | 4      8      3     |
| 2     3      4579 | 4578    4579   458   | 7'-1"  1'-5"  6     |
| 4567  1567   8    | 1457    13457  345   | 9      2      5'-7" |
'-------------------'----------------------'---------------------'

3D Medusa: contradictions for " in b2 => 15 wrap eliminations; stte
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Re: April 30, 2019

Postby SteveG48 » Tue Apr 30, 2019 11:47 am

Code: Select all
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*
 | 9      57     6      | 148    134    348    | 2      13     57     |
 | 8      257    257    | 157    6     a35     |b13     9      4      |
 | 3      4      1      | 9     a57     2      | 6-7    56     8      |
 *----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 67     267    27     | 3      8      9      | 5      4      1      |
 | 45     9      3      | 6      45     1      | 8      7      2      |
 | 1      8      45     | 45     2      7      | 36     36     9      |
 *----------------------+----------------------+----------------------|
 | 57     157    579    | 2      1579   6      | 4      8      3      |
 | 2      3      4579   | 4578   459-7  458    |b17     15     6      |
 | 4567   1567   8      | 1457   13457  345    | 9      2      57     |
 *--------------------------------------------------------------------*


(7=35)b2p68 - (3=17)r28c7 => -7 r3c7,r8c5 ; stte
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Re: April 30, 2019

Postby Ngisa » Tue Apr 30, 2019 5:43 pm

Code: Select all
+------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------+
| 9        57       6    | 148       134       348 | 2      135     57 |
| 8        257      257  | 157       6        e3-5 |d13     9       4  |
| 3        4        1    | 9        a57        2   |b67     56      8  |
+------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------+
| 67       267      27   | 3         8         9   | 5      4       1  |
| 45       9        3    | 6         45        1   | 8      7       2  |
| 1        8        45   | 45        2         7   | 36     36      9  |
+------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------+
| 57       157      579  | 2         1579      6   | 4      8       3  |
| 2        3        4579 | 14578     14579     458 |c17     15      6  |
| 4567     1567     8    | 1457      13457     345 | 9      2       57 |
+------------------------+-------------------------+-------------------+

(5=7)r3c5 - r3c7 = (7-1)r8c7 = (1-3)r2c7 = (3)r2c6 => - 5r2c6; stte

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Re: April 30, 2019

Postby Cenoman » Tue Apr 30, 2019 8:21 pm

Code: Select all
 +-----------------------+-----------------------+-----------------+
 |  9      57     6      |  148    134     348   |  2   B13   57   |
 |  8      257*   257*   | A157#   6       35    | A13   9    4    |
 |  3      4      1      |  9      7-5     2     |  67  C56   8    |
 +-----------------------+-----------------------+-----------------+
 | a67#    267*   27*    |  3      8       9     |  5    4    1    |
 | c45     9      3      |  6     d45      1     |  8    7    2    |
 |  1      8      45     |  45     2       7     |  36  C36   9    |
 +-----------------------+-----------------------+-----------------+
 | b57     157    579    |  2      1579    6     |  4    8    3    |
 |  2      3      4579   |  4578   4579    458   |  17   15   6    |
 |  4567   1567   8      |  1457   13457   345   |  9    2    57   |
 +-----------------------+-----------------------+-----------------+

UR(27)r24c23 using externals
(7)r4c1 - (7=5)r7c1 - r5c1 = (5)r5c5
(71-3)r2c47 = r1c8 - (36=5)r36c8
=> -5 r3c5; ste
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Re: April 30, 2019

Postby Leren » Tue Apr 30, 2019 9:21 pm

SpAce wrote : 3D Medusa: contradictions for " in b2 => 15 wrap eliminations; stte

You could condense this to just : SSTS, stte. :D Leren
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Re: April 30, 2019

Postby SpAce » Tue Apr 30, 2019 10:33 pm

Leren wrote:
SpAce wrote : 3D Medusa: contradictions for " in b2 => 15 wrap eliminations; stte

You could condense this to just : SSTS, stte. :D Leren

Why? I don't think 3D Medusa is an SSTS technique (it only has single-digit coloring). I also don't think that the existence of an effective Medusa pattern guarantees that the puzzle is solvable with SSTS. I'm not sure but it doesn't seem like SSTS solves even this puzzle despite the Medusa.

Obviously the Medusa isn't a very elegant way to present a solution, but this demonstrates that it can be a very easy and effective solving method (or be a basis for more advanced coloring methods, which is the usual case). Since we recently had the coloring discussion, I'm just presenting a few examples where Medusa works directly (not implying that solutions should normally be presented like that). I consider such puzzles very easy because my way of solving non-trivial puzzles often starts with identifying and coloring the largest Medusa cluster I can see. I rarely expect it to solve anything by itself, but sometimes it does (like here) and I can't think of an easier way to find a solution. When it doesn't, it's easy to continue with deeper coloring.

Btw, I need coloring much less with p&p solving because I can then see chains much more easily with my special mark-up. With the normal candidate view of Hodoku it's much harder to see chains directly, even with filters (because they can't be combined, which is dumb). Coloring makes it trivial, though, and it's much faster than doing it on paper.
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