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[tarek]

(Yes, I know you're using tarek's rules.)

That specific rule precedes my rules. As I carried it from the pure x-wings by Ocean

tarek

[tarek]

[Edit: Rules have since changed, please ignore this post]

Here the sum of all what has been posted.

Pat is advocating an Extra-Lenient category (only rules 1,4 & 5 apply).
Therfore I've collated the list as follows:

Puzzle#ID#PatP/F#TarekP/F(Cat/Point)#Tarek_JF>=
7...2......1..9.6..8.4..2....6....5.9.......1.3....7....2..6.9..4.7..8......3...6#tarek001#P#F(7.1)#0
7...6......3..1.8..2.7..6....8....4.1.......3.9....2....6..8.1..5.2..7......7...8#tarek002#P#P(L)#1
6...7......1..5.3..2.4..6....3....1.9.......2.4....7....9..3.5..7.6..9......1...3#tarek003#P#P(L)#1
...197....4.....7...9...3..8...3...27..9.2..43...6...1..2...4...1.....9....524...#tarek004#P#P(L)#1
.5.....7.2.......6...456.....7.3.4....65.12....9.7.1.....812...9.......5.1.....2.#tarek005#P#P(L)#1
.4..28.7187.6...2............48..26...1.4.9...86..24............6...9.4313.27..9.#daj95376001#P#P(L)#1
2....358.....2...1...4.56.....9.4.68..5.1.9..61.8.2.....15.8...3...4.....263....4#daj95376002#P#P(L)#1
.......63..763.48...3..8..1.3...41.5.1..8..3.5.63...7.2..7..3...74.562..65.......#daj95376003#P#F(3)#0
4..2.7.8...3..85.6.786...4.2.....61.....2.....17.....4.5...346.6.15..2...3.1.2..8#daj95376004#P#F(3)#0
1.........2.345.....5...4...6.7...3..8..1..5..1...9.4...7...5.....283.6.........8#TTHsieh001#F#F(4)#0

PatP/F: Pat's Extra Lenient (P: Pass F: Fail)
TarekP/F: Tarek's Categories (P: Pass F: Fail)
Cat: L:Lenient R:Rigorous
Point: Tarek's Categories reason for failure (Rule Point)
Tarek_JF>=: Tarek's Categories number of Jellyfish AT LEAST NEEDED to solve.


tarek

[Edit: Rules have since changed, please ignore this post]

[tarek]

[Edit: Rules have since been changed, so please ignore this post]

I've changed the rules as per Pat's suggestion in the corresponding swordfish thread.

Checking puzzles goes in sequence through the rules, reporting the 1st error encountered. If no errors were encountered then it passes the category specified.

The rules have been re-ordered so as to satisfy Pat's rules. (Rules 1-3 in the current rule list).

Anything that Fails rules 4-7 or that PASSES all rules should be considered in Pat's list.

Anything that passes point 5 will get the (number of Jellyfish at least needed)

#Puzzle#ID#TarekP/F(Cat/Point)#Tarek_JF>=
7...2......1..9.6..8.4..2....6....5.9.......1.3....7....2..6.9..4.7..8......3...6#tarek001#F(5.1)#0
7...6......3..1.8..2.7..6....8....4.1.......3.9....2....6..8.1..5.2..7......7...8#tarek002#P(L)#1
6...7......1..5.3..2.4..6....3....1.9.......2.4....7....9..3.5..7.6..9......1...3#tarek003#P(L)#1
...197....4.....7...9...3..8...3...27..9.2..43...6...1..2...4...1.....9....524...#tarek004#P(L)#1
.5.....7.2.......6...456.....7.3.4....65.12....9.7.1.....812...9.......5.1.....2.#tarek005#P(L)#1
.4..28.7187.6...2............48..26...1.4.9...86..24............6...9.4313.27..9.#daj95376001#P(L)#1
2....358.....2...1...4.56.....9.4.68..5.1.9..61.8.2.....15.8...3...4.....263....4#daj95376002#P(L)#1
.......63..763.48...3..8..1.3...41.5.1..8..3.5.63...7.2..7..3...74.562..65.......#daj95376003#F(5.2)#0
4..2.7.8...3..85.6.786...4.2.....61.....2.....17.....4.5...346.6.15..2...3.1.2..8#daj95376004#F(7)#1
1.........2.345.....5...4...6.7...3..8..1..5..1...9.4...7...5.....283.6.........8#TTHsieh001#F(2)#0

TarekP/F: Tarek's Categories (P: Pass F: Fail)
Cat:Category L:Lenient R:Rigorous
Point: Tarek's Categories reason for failure (Rule Point)
Tarek_JF>=: Number of jellyfish AT LEAST NEEDED to solve.

tarek

[Edit: Rules have since been changed, so please ignore this post]

[tarek]

As the process of rating is electronically done, I wouldn't mind if anyone would DUMP entries in this thread to check....

The best way to dump puzzles would be

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81-character_line_puzzle,Poster(No other identifier)

Example:
7...2......1..9.6..8.4..2....6....5.9.......1.3....7....2..6.9..4.7..8......3...6,tarek
7...6......3..1.8..2.7..6....8....4.1.......3.9....2....6..8.1..5.2..7......7...8,tarek


tarek

[tarek]

to mirror the changes in the rules for the swordfish collection, here are the updated rules

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Rules:
1. Valid vanilla 9*9 sudoku
2. NEEDS a Jellyfish to solve after applying the following set of techniques:
   2.1. Singles (Hidden/Naked)
   2.2. Box-Line/Line-Box interactions
   2.3. Subsets (doubles,triples,quads) (Hidden/Naked)
   2.4. X-Wing
   2.5. Swordfish 
3. Solved using the following set of techniques:
   3.1. Singles (Hidden/Naked)
   3.2. Jellyfish (JF)
4. Jellyfish needed (Point 2) >= Jellyfish needed (Point 3), achieved electronically as:
   4.1. batches of JF needed (Pont 2) >= batches of JF needed (Point 3)
   4.2. (If 4.1. result is "=") Total Possible JF (Point 2) >= Total Possible JF (Point 3)
5. Symmetric (I-VII)
6. Symmetrically Minimal
7. NEEDS a Jellyfish to solve after applying the following set of techniques:
   7.1. Singles (Hidden/Naked)
   7.2. Box-Line/Line-Box interactions
   7.3. Subsets (doubles,triples,quads) (Hidden/Naked)
   7.4. X-Wing
   7.5. Finned X-Wing (incl. Sashimi)
   7.6. Simple Colouring
   7.7. XYZ-Wing
   7.8. XY-Wing
   7.9. Swordfish
   7.10. Finned Swordfish (incl. Sashimi)
   7.11. Uniqueness (1-4)
   7.12. Empty Rectangle
   7.13. BUG+1

--Puzzles will be checked against the sequence of rules starting from 1 & ending at 7.
--Checking will stop when a puzzle fails to satisfy a ceratin rule.
--Each Puzzle will acquire a Score equal to the highest rule being checked against.
--if a puzzle passes all rules (1-7) then it will score an "8"

Score interpretaion:
Score = 1 ==> Invalid puzzle
Score = 2 ==> Requires other than a Jellyfish to solve
Score > 2 ==> Requires a Jellyfish to solve
Score > 3 ==> Pure Jellyfish (Pat's Extra Lenient criteria)
Score > 4 ==> Pure Jellyfish (Tarek's Lenient criteria but with Symmetry & Minimality not obligatory)
Score > 5 ==> Pure Jellyfish (Tarek's Lenient criteria with Minimality not obligatory)
Score > 6 ==> Pure Jellyfish (Tarek's Lenient criteria)
Score > 7 ==> Pure Jellyfish (Tarek's Rigorous criteria)

Here is the list of all puzzle in this thread(v5.0):
#Puzzle#ID#Score#JF>=
7...2......1..9.6..8.4..2....6....5.9.......1.3....7....2..6.9..4.7..8......3...6#tarek-001#4.1#0
7...6......3..1.8..2.7..6....8....4.1.......3.9....2....6..8.1..5.2..7......7...8#tarek-002#8#1
6...7......1..5.3..2.4..6....3....1.9.......2.4....7....9..3.5..7.6..9......1...3#tarek-003#8#1
...197....4.....7...9...3..8...3...27..9.2..43...6...1..2...4...1.....9....524...#tarek-004#7#1
.5.....7.2.......6...456.....7.3.4....65.12....9.7.1.....812...9.......5.1.....2.#tarek-005#7#1
.4..28.7187.6...2............48..26...1.4.9...86..24............6...9.4313.27..9.#daj95376-001#7#1
2....358.....2...1...4.56.....9.4.68..5.1.9..61.8.2.....15.8...3...4.....263....4#daj95376-002#7#1
.......63..763.48...3..8..1.3...41.5.1..8..3.5.63...7.2..7..3...74.562..65.......#daj95376-003#4.2#0
4..2.7.8...3..85.6.786...4.2.....61.....2.....17.....4.5...346.6.15..2...3.1.2..8#daj95376-004#6#1
1.........2.345.....5...4...6.7...3..8..1..5..1...9.4...7...5.....283.6.........8#TTHsieh-001#3#0

JF>=: Number of jellyfish AT LEAST NEEDED to solve.


tarek

[tarek]

how many Jellyfish & how can you bypass them ???

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 . . 3 | . . 4 | . . 9 
 . . . | . 7 . | . 5 . 
 2 . . | 6 . . | 8 . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . 9 | . . . | . . 4 
 . 4 . | . . . | . 3 . 
 8 . . | . . . | 7 . . 
-------+-------+------
 . . 4 | . . 3 | . . 2 
 . 2 . | . 6 . | . . . 
 7 . . | 8 . . | 6 . .

Enjoy

tarek

[daj95376]

Not so easy for me to find. I wish it had fewer givens! Maybe Pat is looking for Late Jellyfish as well.

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.......1....8.9257.2....9...829.1.45.47.8.19.19.4.372...1....8.9381.5....5.......


[Pat]

most puzzles will of course need just one Jellyfish;
2 Jellyfish may be needed in puzzles 1,6,11.

latest Jellyfish in this collection
is seen in puzzle 6, at 55 --


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 8 . 5 | . . . | 7 6 3
 1 . 7 | 6 3 5 | 4 8 .
 . 6 3 | . 7 8 | 5 . 1
-------+-------+------
 7 3 8 | . 6 4 | 1 . 5
 . 1 2 | 5 8 7 | 6 3 .
 5 . 6 | 3 . . | . 7 .
-------+-------+------
 2 8 . | 7 4 . | 3 5 6
 3 7 4 | . 5 6 | 2 1 .
 6 5 . | . . 3 | . 4 7




-- but of course you could add r9c5=2
and thus show a late Jellyfish at 56 !


• puzzle number in this Topic ( 1-12, my numbering ); puzzle 10 doesn't belong here
• the puzzle
• number of clues
• puzzle source
  
  01,7...2......1..9.6..8.4..2....6....5.9.......1.3....7....2..6.9..4.7..8......3...6,22,tarek (2007.Dec.18)
  02,7...6......3..1.8..2.7..6....8....4.1.......3.9....2....6..8.1..5.2..7......7...8,22,tarek (2007.Dec.18)
  03,6...7......1..5.3..2.4..6....3....1.9.......2.4....7....9..3.5..7.6..9......1...3,22,tarek (2007.Dec.18)
  
  04,...197....4.....7...9...3..8...3...27..9.2..43...6...1..2...4...1.....9....524...,24,tarek (2007.Dec.19)
  05,.5.....7.2.......6...456.....7.3.4....65.12....9.7.1.....812...9.......5.1.....2.,24,tarek (2007.Dec.19)
  
  06,.......63..763.48...3..8..1.3...41.5.1..8..3.5.63...7.2..7..3...74.562..65.......,31,daj95376 (2006.Oct.1)
  07,.4..28.7187.6...2............48..26...1.4.9...86..24............6...9.4313.27..9.,29,daj95376 (2006.Oct.1)
  08,2....358.....2...1...4.56.....9.4.68..5.1.9..61.8.2.....15.8...3...4.....263....4,29,daj95376 (2006.Oct.1)
  09,4..2.7.8...3..85.6.786...4.2.....61.....2.....17.....4.5...346.6.15..2...3.1.2..8,31,daj95376 (2006.Oct.1)
  
  10,1.........2.345.....5...4...6.7...3..8..1..5..1...9.4...7...5.....283.6.........8,23,TTHsieh (2007.Dec.23)
  
  11,..3..4..9....7..5.2..6..8....9.....4.4.....3.8.....7....4..3..2.2..6....7..8..6..,22,tarek (2007.Dec.31)
  
  12,.......1....8.9257.2....9...829.1.45.47.8.19.19.4.372...1....8.9381.5....5.......,33,daj95376 (2007.Dec.31)
  
  

[JPF]

My proposals (Patterns Game 007) :

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010000020340000056000206000007628500000507000006934200000405000560000084070000010
010000020230000045000502000006374800000906000004258600000407000740000038050000010
010000020340000056000604000005786200000905000007423500000307000960000032050000010

JPF

[Pat]

My proposals (Patterns Game 007) :
[ 28 clues ]

.1.....2.34.....56...2.6.....76285.....5.7.....69342.....4.5...56.....84.7.....1.
.1.....2.23.....45...5.2.....63748.....9.6.....42586.....4.7...74.....38.5.....1.
.1.....2.34.....56...6.4.....57862.....9.5.....74235.....3.7...96.....32.5.....1.

sorry, these are Too Tough
( tougher than "superior plus" ! )

Sudoku Explainer allows various other things before Jellyfish

[tarek]

JPF, all 3 puzzles score a 2 for the reason Pat mentioned (making them fail Rule2)

here is the list of all submitted puzzles with Scores (v5.0):

#Puzzle#Chronology#ID#Score#JF>=
7...2......1..9.6..8.4..2....6....5.9.......1.3....7....2..6.9..4.7..8......3...6#001#tarek-001#4.1#0
7...6......3..1.8..2.7..6....8....4.1.......3.9....2....6..8.1..5.2..7......7...8#002#tarek-002#8#1
6...7......1..5.3..2.4..6....3....1.9.......2.4....7....9..3.5..7.6..9......1...3#003#tarek-003#8#1
...197....4.....7...9...3..8...3...27..9.2..43...6...1..2...4...1.....9....524...#004#tarek-004#7#1
.5.....7.2.......6...456.....7.3.4....65.12....9.7.1.....812...9.......5.1.....2.#005#tarek-005#7#1
.4..28.7187.6...2............48..26...1.4.9...86..24............6...9.4313.27..9.#006#daj95376-001#7#1
2....358.....2...1...4.56.....9.4.68..5.1.9..61.8.2.....15.8...3...4.....263....4#007#daj95376-002#7#1
.......63..763.48...3..8..1.3...41.5.1..8..3.5.63...7.2..7..3...74.562..65.......#008#daj95376-003#4.2#0
4..2.7.8...3..85.6.786...4.2.....61.....2.....17.....4.5...346.6.15..2...3.1.2..8#009#daj95376-004#6#1
1.........2.345.....5...4...6.7...3..8..1..5..1...9.4...7...5.....283.6.........8#010#TTHsieh-001#3#0
..3..4..9....7..5.2..6..8....9.....4.4.....3.8.....7....4..3..2.2..6....7..8..6..#011#tarek-006#8#1
.......1....8.9257.2....9...829.1.45.47.8.19.19.4.372...1....8.9381.5....5.......#012#daj95376-005#6#1
.1.....2.34.....56...2.6.....76285.....5.7.....69342.....4.5...56.....84.7.....1.#013#JPF-001#2#0
.1.....2.23.....45...5.2.....63748.....9.6.....42586.....4.7...74.....38.5.....1.#014#JPF-002#2#0
.1.....2.34.....56...6.4.....57862.....9.5.....74235.....3.7...96.....32.5.....1.#015#JPF-003#2#0

JF>=: Number of jellyfish AT LEAST NEEDED to solve

how many Jellyfish & how can you bypass them ???

The answer is 2 (manual check), you can't easily bypass them easily as the puzzle scores an 8 (Rigorous)

tarek

[Pat]

most puzzles need just one Jellyfish;
2 Jellyfish needed in puzzles 1,11
but puzzle 1 is not-very-pure ( as tarek pointed out ) --
needed only 1 Jellyfish when the intermediate methods were allowed,
now needs 2 merely because they were disabled.


• puzzle number in this Topic ( 1-15, my numbering ); puzzles 10,13-15 don't belong here
• the puzzle
• number of clues
• puzzle source
  

01,7...2......1..9.6..8.4..2....6....5.9.......1.3....7....2..6.9..4.7..8......3...6,22,tarek (2007.Dec.18)
02,7...6......3..1.8..2.7..6....8....4.1.......3.9....2....6..8.1..5.2..7......7...8,22,tarek (2007.Dec.18)
03,6...7......1..5.3..2.4..6....3....1.9.......2.4....7....9..3.5..7.6..9......1...3,22,tarek (2007.Dec.18)

04,...197....4.....7...9...3..8...3...27..9.2..43...6...1..2...4...1.....9....524...,24,tarek (2007.Dec.19)
05,.5.....7.2.......6...456.....7.3.4....65.12....9.7.1.....812...9.......5.1.....2.,24,tarek (2007.Dec.19)

06,.......63..763.48...3..8..1.3...41.5.1..8..3.5.63...7.2..7..3...74.562..65.......,31,daj95376 (2006.Oct.1)
07,.4..28.7187.6...2............48..26...1.4.9...86..24............6...9.4313.27..9.,29,daj95376 (2006.Oct.1)
08,2....358.....2...1...4.56.....9.4.68..5.1.9..61.8.2.....15.8...3...4.....263....4,29,daj95376 (2006.Oct.1)
09,4..2.7.8...3..85.6.786...4.2.....61.....2.....17.....4.5...346.6.15..2...3.1.2..8,31,daj95376 (2006.Oct.1)

10,1.........2.345.....5...4...6.7...3..8..1..5..1...9.4...7...5.....283.6.........8,23,TTHsieh (2007.Dec.23)

11,..3..4..9....7..5.2..6..8....9.....4.4.....3.8.....7....4..3..2.2..6....7..8..6..,22,tarek (2007.Dec.31)

12,.......1....8.9257.2....9...829.1.45.47.8.19.19.4.372...1....8.9381.5....5.......,33,daj95376 (2007.Dec.31)

13,.1.....2.34.....56...2.6.....76285.....5.7.....69342.....4.5...56.....84.7.....1.,28
14,.1.....2.23.....45...5.2.....63748.....9.6.....42586.....4.7...74.....38.5.....1.,28
15,.1.....2.34.....56...6.4.....57862.....9.5.....74235.....3.7...96.....32.5.....1.,28

[Mauricio]

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+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | . . . | . . . |
| . . 1 | . . . | 2 . . |
| 3 4 . | . 5 . | . 6 7 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | . . . | . . . |
| 1 5 . | 2 . 3 | . 7 8 |
| 8 3 . | . . . | . 4 1 |
+-------+-------+-------+
| . . . | . . . | . . . |
| 4 2 . | 7 . 8 | . 5 6 |
| 7 1 . | . . . | . 8 3 |
+-------+-------+-------+


[tarek]

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...........1...2..34..5..67.........15.2.3.7883.....41.........42.7.8.5671.....83

Excellent Mauricio... Difficult to bypass that 3x4x4x4 Jelly

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#Puzzle#Chronology#ID#Score#JF>=
...........1...2..34..5..67.........15.2.3.7883.....41.........42.7.8.5671.....83#016#Mauricio-001#8#1

tarek

[Pat]

16,...........1...2..34..5..67.........15.2.3.7883.....41.........42.7.8.5671.....83,27,Mauricio (2008.Jan.4)

thanks, Mauricio, and welcome back !!