23 oktober

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23 oktober

Postby Sudoku123456789 » Mon Oct 23, 2017 2:23 pm

Multiple solutions?
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Re: 23 oktober

Postby JC Van Hay » Mon Oct 23, 2017 3:29 pm

Sudoku123456789 wrote:Multiple solutions?
No

Hint : incomplete analysis of the digits 4, 5 and especially 7.
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Re: 23 oktober

Postby Leren » Mon Oct 23, 2017 7:33 pm

The puzzle solved status in line format : .8...7.1...4.1..8.1.968.2.49..87....81...9.264.....89.658..2..9.4..98.62291....38

Solves with one Skyscraper in 7's :

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*-----------------------------------------------*
| 35    8   26   | 249  24   7   | 69  1    35  |
| 35-7  26  4    | 29   1    35  | 69  8   d357 |
| 1    a37  9    | 6    8    35  | 2   5-7  4   |
|----------------+---------------+--------------|
| 9     236 2356 | 8    7    146 | 34  45   15  |
| 8     1   357  | 345  345  9   | 347 2    6   |
| 4    b367 3567 | 235  2356 16  | 8   9   c157 |
|----------------+---------------+--------------|
| 6     5   8    | 1347 34   2   | 147 47   9   |
| 37    4   37   | 15   9    8   | 15  6    2   |
| 2     9   1    | 457  456  46  | 457 3    8   |
*-----------------------------------------------*

Skyscraper in Cells a-b-c-d => - 7 r2c1, r3c8 and the puzzle solves in singles from there (called stte for short). A link to a write-up on Skyscrapers is this.

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Re: 23 oktober

Postby Sudoku123456789 » Wed Oct 25, 2017 9:48 am

Thank you both,

JC, my analysis should be more complete. Posted this 1 too early.

Leren, I can't believe I keep missing these skyscrapers. The logic behind it is very clear so it is quite frustrating that almost every puzzle I post is solved with a skyscraper, haha.


I was wondering if one of you has a tip for me regarding search strategies? One downside of the app I'm using is that it does not highlight candidates. That could be a first step, start using for instance Sudoku Joy by Jason ... which does have this function.
But I was wondering, what is your strategy when you start doing a puzzle?

Now, I start looking for naked singles, bivalues and bilocals and then obeying Keith's principle (thanks to JC). When this doesn't result in anything anymore I start filling in all candidates and then look for patterns. Is this a right way to do it? I know i should develop my own style but i always am interested in how more advanced people work.
Furthermore I had some other questions:

I know this can differ completely per puzzle but what are your guidelines when you try to solve a puzzle? What are the most important strategies to look for?
    I know a lot of the basic strategies now (UR, BUG, Remote pair, X-wing, Swordfish, Jellyfish (finned and sashimi for the most part), ER, 2-string kite, X-Wing, XY-wing and the list goes on... Since I'm very busy with my study I didn't have much time recently, but i have to start looking into the chaining strategy category. I think there is a lot of terrain to win in that domain.

When, of a certain digit, there is only a fish left (for instance swordfish 3), is there anything we can do with these candidates or is it necessary to solve other digitis and the solution of the fish comes by itself?

And as an elongation of the previous question: when I see an "almost" fish of a digit, lets say I find an almost jellyfish 6 (for example I have 3 rows which are organized good but then the none of the last 2 rows fits), does this implicate there is something that can be deduced from the candidates of this digit?


Thank you for your time in advance,

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Re: 23 oktober

Postby Leren » Wed Oct 25, 2017 7:55 pm

Hi Daniël,

I think that we get more enquires that are solved with Skyscrapers than anything else, I suppose that's because they are the simplest move that is not discussed on many other sites.

To me looking for a Skyscraper should be no more difficult than looking for an X Wing. Look for two rows or columns that contain exactly two instances of the same digit.

If you find two such rows and in the columns one digit set lines up and the other doesn't you have a Skyscraper. If the digit sets line up in both columns you have an X Wing. Obviously similar comments apply to Skyscrapers in columns.

Regarding solving order, you will never get the same answer from any two solvers, but here are some comments for what they are worth.

On this forum we have the concept of basics. These consist of singles, pointing pairs and triples, naked and hidden pairs, triples and quads.

After that I'd suggest that you look for basic fish and possibly the more obvious UR patterns. After that you will have to look for AIC's. The simplest of these are XY Wings, Skyscrapers, Empty Rectangles and Kites.

Regarding "almost" fish, I think you are talking about finned fish. This extensive topic is well written up on several sites, including here, here and here.
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Re: 23 oktober

Postby Sudoku123456789 » Tue Oct 31, 2017 2:16 pm

Thanks Leren,

Regarding one unanswered question (on a quest for confirmation): when of a certain digit only a Fish remains, does this imply no further deductions can be made from that digit?

I actually think this statement is a little bit too black-on-white, but I've noticed this from personal experience.
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Re: 23 oktober

Postby Leren » Tue Oct 31, 2017 7:02 pm

Not quite sure I understand the question but I'll give an answer anyway.

When encountering a finned fish you can make a list of Potential Eliminations (PE's).

These are the fish eliminations that could be made if the fin was false. With a finned fish only the PE's that can see the fish (either directly or via some inference chain) can be eliminated.

If the fin is subsequently eliminated (by some independent move), then obviously the remaining PE's can be eliminated because you have an un-finned fish.

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