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by **fehrion** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 8:36 am

The Times today (Saturday 17th December) has a free pull-out supplement of 101 Sudoku puzzles for Christmas.

by Pi » Sat Dec 17, 2005 11:10 am

The puzzles were not from pappocom, i don't know why.

The times have always had pappocom puzzles before.

I have only done a couple of easy ones so far but they appear harder that the normal easy ones. The two i've done bothe took me over 2 minutes.

I will comment on the rest of them when i've done them.

by **PaulIQ164** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 4:41 pm

I just tried one of the fiendishes. It wasn't very difficult really, but that's only one puzzle - not much of a scientific test admittedly.

by **Lardarse** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 5:35 pm

The "extra" puzzles and the last killer look interesting...

by **PaulIQ164** » Sat Dec 17, 2005 7:14 pm

I like how all the Killers have time ratings in "MIINS".

Those 'slitherlink' and 'Hashi' puzzles are also published in that Sudoku magazine that the Nikoli people do.

by **Super Sudoku** » Sun Dec 18, 2005 5:29 pm

I solved some of the puzzles myself and ran some tests on the Sudokus here and the easy ones are all pretty easy to complete.

The fiendish puzzles are all consistently very hard to solve, generally harder than other fiendish I have previous seen from the Times.

by **dalek** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 12:37 pm

The deadlys are not very difficult at all. For one of them you had to use the two rows sum to 90 trick, but that was about as hard as it got. The suggested times were silly - cut them by 2/3rds and they would have been more in the ballpark. I think that the deadlys in the ultimate sudoku book are harder (although maybe I have just got better through practice).
I'm looking forward to doing the fiendishs though, if they are equivalent to 'superiors' - I have only recently got into superiors (I didn't get the Sunday Times until I realised they were in it) through the ultimate sudoku book, and they are definitely more challenging than your normal fiendish, which is satisfying.

by Pi » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:29 pm

I thought the opposite to Super Sudoku

I agree with the killers, one of the 40 Minunte killers only took 8:37 and that dissapointed me. I want hard killers, someone give me them please!!!

by **Super Sudoku** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:45 pm

You found the fiendish puzzles in the supplement easier than Pappocom's fiendish?

by Pi » Mon Dec 19, 2005 5:55 pm

i only did about 4 but i found them in general easier yes.

by **dalek** » Mon Dec 19, 2005 11:30 pm

I have done the first 3 now and they were all 10 minute jobs. Maybe they get harder as they go along? After all, there are 2 full pages of them.....
I just wish they would print more difficult ('deadly') killers but actually make them, you know, challenging.

by **PaulIQ164** » Tue Dec 20, 2005 6:56 pm

I noticed that puzzle #81 had blatantly superfluous clues in it. The numbers in r2c5 and r8c5 could be very easily be worked out from the other clues, so they could be deleted to leave a perfectly solveable (and styll symmetrical) puzzle. Are Pappcoms ever like this? I've never noticed it before.

by **dalek** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 12:00 am

I don't go into considering each puzzle in such detail (perhaps I should....) all I know isthat if I don't even have to think while I am doing one, then I'm not impressed. After the first 5 fiendishs ...... I'm not impressed.
I hope Saturday's supplement is better. And has more deadlys (that are actually, you know, deadly).

by **PaulIQ164** » Wed Dec 21, 2005 1:07 am

I don't consider puzzles in fine detail either. I just happened to spot this. Honest!

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101 free Sudoku puzzles in Times 17/12/05

101 free Sudoku puzzles in Times 17/12/05